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Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: NewTaylor on December 04, 2006, 01:14:38 PM
One of the most frequent claims of the proponents of IMBRA is that the international dating agencies are involved in human trafficking.  First of all, it is important to define exactly what human trafficking is.  Amy O’Neill Richard of the State Department has defined human trafficking in the following terms by quoting the President’s Interagency Council on Women.  This is the definition of human trafficking:

“Trafficking is all acts involved in the recruitment, abduction, transport, harboring, transfer, sale or receipt of persons; within national or across international borders; through force, coercion, fraud or deception; to place person in situations of slavery or slavery-like conditions, forced labor or servitude, bonded sweatshop labor or other debt bondage.”[1]

It seems extreme, to say the least, that the feminist lobby thinks that the international dating agencies are involved in this type of behavior.  The truth of the matter is that they do at the very least insinuate this.  And they make this insinuation frequently.

In her Senate testimony, Michele Clark of Johns Hopkins University insinuated that international dating agencies are contributing to the problem of human trafficking.  She didn’t provide any statistical data to substantiate this insinuation.  In describing the “mail order bride” industry she made the following statement:

“In countries around the world, we see how economic and social collapse, civil war and natural disasters have been used as vehicles to deceive, entrap and enslave vulnerable women and children into lives of cruel exploitation. Traffickers capitalize on desperation and need; they also exploit normal desires for a better life, for hope, for the fulfillment of dreams.

So it is not surprising that the industry of marriage should become a vehicle for exploitation. Nor is it surprising that the Internet, because of its immediacy, promises of anonymity and lack of accountability, should become the vehicle of choice for this exploitation to take place.” [2]


It can be seen that she is clearly trying to establish a link between the international dating agencies and human trafficking.  However, this linkage is tenuous at best. In her testimony, she didn’t even elaborate on how the international dating agencies would accomplish this.  Notice in the following statement that she tries to create linkage between the international dating agencies and human trafficking:

“Most matchmaking organizations make their profits from the arrangement of marriages between two worlds – the first and the third. Similar to the trafficking in persons industry, husbands tend to come from wealthy, stable economies, while the brides originate from economically unstable or vulnerable environments. Additionally, the mail-order brides are in conditions of economic vulnerability before and after their marriage to their first-world husbands. Most women search for a husband abroad out of economic need, as demonstrated by the one-way direction of the marriages – no websites exist advertising American or German women as mail-order brides in El Salvador or the Ukraine, for example. However, when these brides find themselves married in the first world, they are dependent economically on their husbands especially in the early days of their lives in a new country. They thus continue to face economic vulnerability and dependency until the time comes when they are able to support themselves financially.”[3]

At best, the testimony is accusing “mail order bride” clients of exploiting the poverty of foreign women.  It is presumed that the only reason that foreign women are pursuing American men is for personal gain.  Notice, that nothing in the statement fits well with the definition of human trafficking.  This is common in feminist literature.

The whole concept of human trafficking makes some basic fundamental presumptions.  All of these presumptions are based upon generalizations.  First, it presumes that there are many American men who are seeking foreign wives so that they can become domestic servants and/or sex slaves.  The author is not aware of any study that has found this to be true.  Second, this broad based desire is being coordinated and satisfied by a well organized consortium of international dating agencies that are seeking to conceal the true intentions of these men; and who are intentionally deceiving foreign women in these international dating agencies about the intentions of these men.  This whole enterprise has been deftly concealed within the broadly accessible confines of the Internet.  If this sounds conspicuously paranoid, well it is.

Human trafficking for the most part involves crime syndicates who are well organized in what they are doing.  They do not operate in the open like international dating agencies do.  They largely attract their victims through front organizations, and their clients are relatively limited.  The thought that such an enterprise could be undertaken when there are so many international dating agencies and individual “mail order bride” clients is preposterous.  If this process is occurring, it is being undertaken on an individual level by large numbers of American men.  It would mean that there are large numbers of individual men here in the United States who are independently deciding to engage in individualized trafficking in foreign women.  Any person with any semblance of intelligence could see how nonsensical this proposition is.

That posits the question who is largely involved in human trafficking in the United States.  Amy O’Neill Richard of the State Department has given the following answer:

“In reviewing the major trafficking cases in the United States since 1990, the perpetrators tended to be smaller crime groups, smuggling rings, gangs, loosely linked criminal networks, and corrupt individuals who tended to victimize their own nationals.”[4]

That doesn’t sound like “mail order bride” clients.  Ms Richard went on to state that Russian and Asian crime syndicates are involved in human trafficking here in the United States.  We can safely assume that the average thirty eight year old male who is looking for a wife on Cherry Blossoms is probably not trying to engage in the trafficking of human beings.  There is a relatively good possibility that he probably doesn’t like feminism though.  That seems to be the feminists lobby’s only justification for why he is a “trafficker”.

Jeanne Smoot of the Tahirih Justice Center has stated that “mail order brides” may become victims of human trafficking [5].  Yes, that is true, and her point is exactly what?  Any human being has the potential of being a victim of human trafficking.  Simply making that statement doesn’t really establish anything.  Obviously, the potential for this exists.  What has not been established is its frequency.  Thus far there is no conclusive evidence that the international dating agencies are involved in human trafficking.  

The closest thing that can approximate this is the fact that in the Russian Federation apparently many of the international matchmaking agencies have ties with the Russian mafia.  Russian crime syndicates will target women in the agencies.  This practice has nothing to do with American men.  They will make offers to the women for work or other enticements, and then sell the women into bondage.  What is important to note is that this occurs in Eastern Europe, not in the United States [6].  IMBRA will not do anything to stop this.  In fact, since the law only applies to American men, it is completely useless in this regard.  If anything, by the “de facto” effect of discouraging American men from pursuing Eastern European women, it will most likely increase the problem of human trafficking in the former Soviet Union.  It will limit the options of these women and make the enticements of organized crime more appealing.  

That brings up the interesting question of how feminists are combating human trafficking by attacking the international dating agencies.  By making it more difficult for American men to meet and marry foreign women, apparently the feminist lobby believes that it will be combating human trafficking.  They don’t elaborate on this.  In fact, they probably cannot.  Why is it that they are so intent on requiring such rigorous mandatory background checks on American men who want to marry foreign women through international dating agencies.  After all, they don’t want any background checks on themselves.  What?  Why was that brought up?  Well, quite simply because American feminism is apparently contributing to the problem.  When Michele Clark was asked which group in the United States was responsible for unconsciously contributing to human trafficking, this is what she said:

“Well there is a very interesting article in the most recent edition of the Atlantic Monthly called “How Serfdom Saved the Women’s Movement” [Caitlin Flanagan, The Atlantic Monthly, March 2004]. Actually, it’s the cover story. And she steps in where a woman named Barbara Ehrenreich basically also went in a book called “Global Women: Nannies, Maids, and Sex Workers in the New Economy” and raises some very interesting questions. Basically the gist of this is that American feminism survived once it went from the effort to work for women’s solidarity in general and women’s rights and women’s empowerment in general to the empowerment of the individual, the idea, you know, of the Wonder Woman [holds up picture of Wonder Woman] or the Superwoman. The “having it all.” So American feminism went the direction of most things American, individual superdome, superstardom, super empowerment at interesting costs. And this [article] talks about how much of that empowerment in contemporary terms has happened because the only way their families are taken care of is through the labor of foreign women. Cheap labor of foreign women. And in many cases it’s legal. In many cases it’s quite legal and many of these women do follow the IRS and the social security regulations and pay them wages and you don’t have the Linda Chavez cases. We’re talking about, in many cases, legal situations that contribute to this phenomenon, that is very disturbing to me, of the encouragement of individuals in developing countries to seek employment in developed countries.” [7]

In fact, this actually fits in more neatly with the conception of trafficking.  Perhaps it is more acceptable to the feminists that foreign women come into the United States as their domestic maids and nannies, rather than as wives of American men.

References:

1. Amy O’Neill Richard, “International Trafficking in Women to the United States:
    A Contemporary Manifestation of Slavery and Organized Crime,” Center for the    
    Study of Intelligence, November 1999
   (http://)

2. Michele A. Clark, Testimony before U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign
    Relations, “Mail-Order Brides: Exploited Dreams,” July 13, 2004.
    (http://)

3. Michele A. Clark, Testimony before U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign
     Relations, “Mail-Order Brides: Exploited Dreams,” July 13, 2004.
    (http://)
             
4. Amy O’Neill Richard, “International Trafficking in Women to the United States:  
    A Contemporary Manifestation of Slavery and Organized Crime,” Center for the  
    Study of Intelligence, November 1999,
    (http://)

5. Jeanne L. Smoot, “Marriage Broker Law Seeks to Protect Readily Exploited
    Women,” Cumberland Times News, July 11, 2006.
    (http://)

6. Amy O’Neill Richard, “International Trafficking in Women to the United States:  
    A Contemporary Manifestation of Slavery and Organized Crime,” Center for the  
    Study of Intelligence, November 1999,
    (http://)

7. Andy Barnes, “An Interview with Michele Clark,” TheOtherJournal.com,
   (http://)


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Ragingbull on December 04, 2006, 06:02:27 PM
New Taylor; awsome literary work...love to hear TJC's comeback to your post....


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Bugman803 on December 04, 2006, 08:22:43 PM
Fantasic and accurate analysis!

The feminist lobbyist groups often make claims suggesting  IMO facilitated marriages favor the male who can abuse and use these women for sexual services suggesting a potential for exploitation and then subtly suggesting a connection to trafficking. They often portray these International marriages as something akin to slavery (a form of trafficking) that must be regulated often in hopes of creating a hysteria.  But this is not slavery, nor is it trafficking of women. Its simply 2 people coming together because both of them want a better life working together to have a wonderful family.  If this is trafficking then all the women in the world who are married would be a victim of trafficking!
Proponents of IMBRA are well aware that the public’s perception on the issue of matchmaking organizations is  misguided and poorly understood and easily manipulated.  Lisa Simmons was a feminist who wrote a doctoral thesis at Colorado University in June  2001. Lisa stated that “public opinion on this topic  amounts to a belief that marriages resulting from matchmaking are at best illicit, fraudulent forms of Immigration, or at worst a legal form of prostitution”.  She went on to explain that  the public mistakenly believes there are power imbalances in these relationships and that the "domineering husband" in these relationships is a myth. Ms. Simmons claims that "Rather than these women being vulnerable" (to trafficking  and other abuses)as some feminist lobbyist have suggested these women are in fact risk takers, self confident and  resourceful.
 (http://)

Senator Sam Brownback  (IMBRA sponsor)also recently implied that International marriages involving matchmaking organizations are in reality a "power imbalance".  (He failed to provide any empirical evidence)


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: NewTaylor on December 04, 2006, 09:05:30 PM
Roots,

The thing that I find so disturbing is that I am using the very articles that were referenced by feminists to justify IMBRA to prove my point.  I read far more articles than I referenced.  There is no evidence that the international dating agencies are involved in human trafficking.  In fact, the claims are ridiculous.

What does this say about the intelligence of the members of Congress that approved of this law?  They are either completely stupid, or they don’t have any common sense.  Of course, there are less flattering explanations for why they voted this law (IMBRA) into existence.

As far as Senator Brownback’s comment on an alleged power imbalance in the relationships fostered by “marriage brokers”, that is just silly.  Most American women marry men that make more money than they do.  In fact, many American women are completely dependant on their husbands for financial support.  That is a power imbalance.  Does that mean that most American men abuse their American wives?   Are these American men engaging in the trafficking of American women?  Perhaps Senator Brownback would like to answer these questions.


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on December 04, 2006, 10:58:33 PM
Yes, but according to Tim, asking Senator Brownback any questions would "obnoxious."

According to Tim, people like Brownback should be allowed to state their opinions without 8-10 "regulars" asking them for clarification.


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: johnreeds on December 05, 2006, 12:01:13 AM
Quote from: NewTaylor
Perhaps it is more acceptable to the feminists that foreign women come into the United States as their domestic maids and nannies, rather than as wives of American men.
TOUCHE'! A body blow to the Brown Skirts.

The reason is clear though. Maids and nannies aren't competition. Wives are.


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: NewTaylor on December 05, 2006, 12:50:28 AM
Quote from: JohnReeds
TOUCHE'! A body blow to the Brown Skirts.

The reason is clear though. Maids and nannies aren't competition. Wives are.

John,

Exactly.  If my memory serves me correctly, a feminist posted on one of the blogs that the purpose of IMBRA (being a “de facto” ban) on marrying foreign women, was to censure the awareness among American men that there is actually an alternative to feminist women.  Of course, they (feminists) don’t seem to mind “trafficking” foreign women into the United States to do their housework for them.

Most of the “human trafficking” into the United States probably involves all of the illegal aliens entering our country.  Millions of these people are entering the United States and entering into economic circumstances that often probably border on peonage.  Interestingly enough, our government refuses to do anything about this.  On the other hand, if 10,000 foreign women enter the United States every year via international dating agencies to marry American men, well whoa we have to do something about that.  What hypocrisy!


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on December 05, 2006, 01:37:23 PM
Good points. I see it as a little more complicated, however.

Many men (and I am not including myself whenever I get married) would have no problem sleeping with nannies and maids if the nannies and maids were receptive.

So only those slaves from certain countries are chosen by the American wife, where the feminists in general have already indoctrinated the would-be peons not to ever give pleasure to or make an older white male happy.

Usually these women are from left-wing nations like Mexico...an 18 year old Swedish nanny could also be counted on (relatively speaking) to be repulsed at the idea of sleeping with an American woman's rich, good-looking American husband.

But a 19 year old Ukrainian nanny? No way in Hell would she be allowed near a husband.

It is no accident that IMBRA tries to protect foreign women from married men as opposed to abusive men. A major goal of feminism is to stop married men from cheating. It may seem like an illogical goal of a movement that once had more serious and attainable goals...but it is logical when one considers that this kind of goal helps most in raking in donations for feminist organizations.

What I am saying is as true as saying that oxygen and nitrogen are in the air we breathe.

There is a very conscious process of choosing nannies and maids only from "dependable" countries.

That being said, has anyone ever heard of stories where a Mexican maid decided to end her servitude by overthrowing the wife and taking her place?


Title: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Bugman803 on December 05, 2006, 07:56:30 PM
New Taylor,
  Your research  study clearly reveals a strategy IMBRA supporters have used successfully by citing  their so- called anecdotal evidence which is in reality nothing more than emotional propoganda.  This is exactly the process feminist lobbying groups used to suggest marriage brokers were associated with human trafficking.  The central issue here is whether or not  the anecdotal evidence (propoganda) they have is sufficient to prove that IMB’s  have been involved in human trafficking of women.  IMBRA supporters more than likely will attempt to trick the public with their anecdotal evidence (propoganda) by suggesting women who marry IMB clients are poor, docile  and easily manipulated claiming  this is a recipe for disaster - a power imbalance with the relationship being skewed  in favor of the husband who is “seen as purchasing a  bride”. (notice the subtle claim of modern day slavery with no empirical evidence.)
That last sentence (anecdotal evidence)was also stated in the 1999 INS study.
 
Senator Brownback (lead sponsor of IMBRA) made a statement in the NY Times suggesting IMB brides need protecting citing a “power imbalance”.  Senator Brownback  a future presidential contender  also fails to supply any empirical evidence. Apparently  Senator Brown  thinks the Tahirih Justice Center  (including Jeanne Smoot) are “Frontline experts” . These  frontline experts however  have failed to supply any accurate empirical evidence demonstrating a  problem  exists (abuse and or human trafficking) with marriage brokers and their clients.

 Emotional propaganda… Anecdotal suggestions..  In the  fall of 2005, Tahirih Justice Center and other supporters of IMBRA  partnered with Lifetime Television Network, a Television  Network for Women, a TV station that airs programs primarily with plots and themes of domestic abuse and victimization of women.

One poster “ambro” repeatedly posted  a PR  previously released on July 3, 2004 suggesting a correlation between Marriage Brokers and Human trafficking rings.  (http://)

 Read what this  feminist “insider”  says about the law:

“Strategic linking of marriage brokers with human trafficking rings aids in  gaining bipartisan support for a law intent on  eliminating international Matchmaking companies and websites”. The Human Trafficking Lifetime movie series is an ideal venue for promoting this campaign”.

A discussion forum user by the name of Ambro posted this comment in response to  another user  named skeptic on Lifetime TV’s message boards discussing their mini series, “Human trafficking”.

“I’m glad you are finally getting it and everyone else on this board is finally understanding. The Tahirih Justice Center and other groups are using the emotional propaganda generated by this mini series to finally get the Marriage Broker Regulation passed. The International matchmaking websites must be eliminated by any means possible, even with a law that violates the civil rights of American men…”

The quotes above occurred in fall of 2005 shortly before the International marriage Broker was passed  on December 17, 2005. The law was passed without any debate or questions answered by an unrecorded and
Undemocratic voice vote.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: moscownights on January 17, 2007, 01:41:18 PM
Quote
Strategic linking of marriage brokers with human trafficking rings aids in  gaining bipartisan support for a law intent on  eliminating international Matchmaking companies and websites”. The Human Trafficking Lifetime movie series is an ideal venue for promoting this campaign


I  wonder if anybody is familiar Congressional  Testimony of Ms. Suzanne  Jackson that established the  relationship  between "Mail-order-bride" industry and sex trafficking.  This document was offered in Encounters Federal trial case as  a proof  that Encounters as part  of this industry needs  to be convicted. 


Tuesday, July 13, 2004

HUMAN TRAFFICKING ISSUES - MS. SUZANNE JACKSON
Statement of Ms. Suzanne Jackson Associate Professor of Clinical Law George
Washington University Law School Washington, DC Committee on Senate Foreign
Relations

July 13, 2004

Thank you to Senator Brownback and to the rest of the Committee for the opportunity
to testify today. My name is Suzanne Jackson, and I am an Associate Professor of
Clinical Law at George Washington Law School. Before becoming a law professor, I
worked as an attorney here in the District of Columbia, representing immigrants and
refugees seeking to escape abusive relationships. Most of my clients did not speak
much English, and had to overcome many obstacles before they could be free of the
threat of domestic violence. Two of my clients had met their husbands through "mailorder
bride" companies, and it is because of the particular hardships they endured
within the legal system that I began to research the relationship between the "mailorder
bride" industry and trafficking in women.
The legal landscape has, on the
whole, improved significantly since those days, thanks in great part to the work of
this Committee in conducting hearings on and shaping the Trafficking Victims
Protection Act of 2000.

I will refer to the companies as international matchmaking organizations or IMOs
rather than "mail-order bride" agencies, even though the term IMO inaccurately
conveys gender neutrality and a "match" or some level of equality between the
parties. Nothing could be further from the truth: IMOs exist for the benefit of
their paying customers: men 1 from wealthy nations, including the United States,
Japan and Germany, who want access to women who, most often, have neither economic
nor social power. Marketing strategies used by IMOs advertise women as generic to
their ethnicity - all Russian women are X, all Asian women are Y, all Latinas are Z
- and emphasize that the women they offer (women who are in fact hoping to leave
their home countries) will all be "home-oriented" and "traditional" wives. Some
companies guarantee women's availability, others guarantee marriage within a year of
subscribing to their service, one even allows a man to remove a woman from the
website to prevent competition during a courtship: 'Select One, She's Yours,"
promises this company.

IMOs have been linked to criminal trafficking in several ways[/u]. They can be nothing
more than fronts for criminal trafficking organizations, in which adults and girls
are offered to the public as brides but sold privately into prostitution,
forced
into marriage (including marriages to men who then prostitute them),3 or held in
domestic slavery.

Police in the United Kingdom found organized criminal gangs from Russia, the former
Soviet Union and the Balkans using the Internet to advertise women for sale to
brothels in Western Europe and also to men as"internet brides."4 A study by Global
Survival Network (GSN) found that most mail-order bride agencies in Russia have
expanded their activities to include trafficking for prostitution
. European
embassies have reported that a number of matchmaking agencies conceal organized
prostitution rings victimizing newly-arrived Filipina women. Asian groups have used
fiancee visas and marriage with a so-called "jockey" (an escort bringing women
across the U.S. border) to bring women into the U.S. for purposes of prostitution;5
jockeys have even included U.S. military personnel posted abroad.

IMOs are almost completely unregulated, advertise minors for marriage, and fail to
screen their male clients for criminal histories. IMO practices exacerbate problems
with false expectations: they require women to complete long questionnaires asking
intrusive personal questions, encouraging disclosure by implying or stating that
false answers could lead to cancellation of any ensuing immigration benefits. Women
are also subjected to medical and background checks, and may assume that
participating men are evaluated with the same level of scrutiny. Women from other
countries often assume that all governmental agencies in the United States - a
country with extraordinary resources and technology - have access to information
held by other agencies, that facts asserted in applications for immigration benefits
would be checked, and that a man who had been convicted of serious violent crimes
would not be permitted to bring a spouse or fiancee into the U.S. from abroad. The
industry does nothing, however, to screen male customers: no detailed questionnaire,
no check for a criminal record for spousal or child abuse, no formal inquiry as to
whether men are already married. Until recently, the U.S. government also did not
conduct these inquiries.

An IMO can also be a useful tool of, and sometimes a knowing collaborator with, an
individual man who wishes to obtain control over a woman in order to exploit her
. A
U.S. citizen can use isolation, domination, and threats of deportation to get an
immigrant woman to perform domestic and sexual services on demand. One commentator
in an Internet discussion of the pros and cons of paying for a"mail-order" bride,
pointed out that it can be much less expensive to purchase a wife than to pay for
prostitution services, which don't also include free housekeeping and cooking. Men
have also used imprisonment and vicious violence to sexually exploit and prostitute
young women.


One Honduran woman was kept a prisoner - together with the U.S. citizen's wife - in
a man's home by bars on the windows; another was kept in the house on an ankle
chain; one 17-.year old from the Phillipines was abused, sexually exploited, and
then pimped into prostitution.6 Because of these practices, the CIA found
that"[m]ail order bride brokers. . .are not traffickers per se; but, where there is
deception or fraudulent non-disclosure of known facts concerning the nature of the
relationship being entered into or the criminal or abusive background of the client,
the brokers should be liable as traffickers."7

Individuals using IMOs to find women whom they prostitute to others or use as their
own "personal prostitutes"8 or domestic servants should be criminally liable as
traffickers on the same theory. Knowing deception - fraud - used intentionally to
cause a woman or girl to travel to the U.S. and perhaps even to marry, in order to
mistreat and exploit her for personal profit or gain, is no less criminal
trafficking in persons when accomplished by an individual instead of an
organization. Although the Department of Justice is enforcing the criminal laws
against international travel for purposes of having sex with a child, not one sex
trafficking case has been brought against an individual who has used a mail-order
bride organization to obtain and sexually exploit a vulnerable immigrant woman.9

Abusive IMO-arranged marriages should be evaluated for evidence of criminal
trafficking.
Consider the following examples:

A U.S. citizen puts new locks on the outside of his doors, and installs a security
system with keyed window locks. He searches the Internet for the youngest possible
girls available on mail- order bride Web sites. He pays a company's $4,500 fee,
travels abroad, proposes marriage to a young woman, and brings his prospective wife
to the U.S. with a fiancee visa. When they arrive at his home, he takes her down to
the basement and terrorizes her, keeping her locked there for weeks. When he
believes that she is too afraid to try to escape, he allows her out of the basement
but not out of the house, forcing her to do housework and have sex with him on
demand.

A U.S. citizen lives in a remote, rural area, and accomplishes the above with
repeated physical and sexual abuse, but without need for locks, as the nearest house
is thirty miles away

Add to the facts in both scenarios above that the citizen forces a woman to have sex
with other men who pay him for the privilege.

Add to the facts in any scenario that instead of using a fiancee visa to secure a
woman's entry into the U.S., the man marries her abroad and brings her to the U.S.
as his wife. These scenarios, distilled from actual cases,10 all fulfill the
elements of the federal crime of forced labor: domestic labor or sexual services
intentionally obtained by the use of physical restraint and threats of serious harm.
They should also satisfy the elements of criminal sex trafficking, if the required
element of 'commercial sex act" is interpreted on the basis of the statutory
language rather than a myopic intepretation focusing exclusively on brothel-based
prostitution or monetary transactions. Commercial sex is defined in the Trafficking
Victims Protection Act as "any sex act, on account of which anything of value is
given to or received by any person."

When an IMO sells a young woman for sexual purposes, as in a Web page openly
offering sex with fifteen- to seventeen-year old Thai girls, boasting that a girl
could be delivered "anywhere in the world," charging extra to deliver a virgin, and
also offered girls for sale outright - pay $4,000 more, the company promised,"and
then she is like your slave forever."11 - this is clearly commercial sex
trafficking. If both parties to the sale know that the person will be forced or
coerced to have sex, both are sex traffickers. The formality of a marriage or a
supposed engagement to marry should not blind us to the federal crimes of sex
trafficking, forced labor and involuntary servitude: when a citizen threatens to
revoke an application for a green card unless an immigrant submits to sex, the
valuable consideration of legal residency in the United States fulfills both the
"commercial sex" requirement and the coercion requirement of the criminal sex
trafficking statute. The same applies in the context of sexual exploitation of
domestic workers, migrant workers, sweatshop workers, or any instance where sex is
coerced or forced through threats of deportation, so that a person is led to believe
that on account of the sex act, the person will receive respite from threats of
deportation.12 The criminal penalties for sex trafficking should be brought to bear
against individuals who use IMOs to extort sex and domestic services from individual
brought into the U.S. through fiancee visas or through marriage
.

IMOs also camouflage trafficking indirectly by inflating the number of visa
applicants, which reduces governmental resources to evaluate individuals' requests
for fiancee visas. Until recenty, U.S. immigration authorities conducted no
investigation of applicants for fiancee or spousal visas, not requiring any
background criminal check, not asking whether the petitioner is legally able to
marry, not even checking its own records to see if an applicant previously
petitioned for another person. During the 1970s and 1980s, an average of 5,300
fiancee petitions were filed each year, about 1,100 of which did not result in an
adjustment to permanent resident status. During the 1990s, however, the number of
fiancee petitions rose to 6,400 per year while adjustments remained the same. The
number of missing or rejected fiancees had apparently doubled in a decade, averaging
about 2,200 a year. A report by the INS noted that traffickers were interested in
sending women to the U.S. because fiancee visas were easy to obtain, but did not
observe that the rise in "missing" or rejected fiancees was itself evidence of
trafficking.13

Since the tragedy of September 11 th , the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration
Services has increased scrutiny of all petitioners and beneficiaries of petitions
for immigration benefits, including petitions for fiance visas and marriage-based
adjustment, and although implementation of these changes is only just beginning,
they have reportedly already found much of interest as a result of these
investigations. Senator Cantwell has made several excellent proposals to change the
process for obtaining a fiancee visa, which if enacted and implemented would place
minimal burdens on the IMOs and on the participants in the process, while likely
preventing some serious abuses of the system. But even enacting such a law will
accomplish nothing if Congress is not prepared to ensure that the laws are
implemented by the Executive Branch. This is not the first piece of legislation
recognizing and attempting to address problems in the IMO industry. So many serious
abuses were noted against "mail- order brides" in the U.S. that Congress in 1996
ordered IMOs to provide information to their "recruits" on their rights under U.S.
laws. Eight years later, this law is still not implemented or enforced.14 The
comment period for the proposed regulation expired in 1997, yet the June 23, 2004
Federal Register announced that the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking will not be issued
until sometime in December of this year
[/b] (Encounters was charged and convicted for supposedly not obiding to the law that had not been  implemented at the time of the trial  nor had it ever been  emplemented since IMBRA replaced  it altogether shortly after the trial. Added by the Moscownights). Senator Cantwell's legislation asks the
Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services to complete a study of the IMO
industry and the extent of its compliance with the new requirements within two years
of the legislation's enactment, but if the regulations are not in place to ensure
that Congress1 enactments have the force of law, this study and the other reforms
contemplated, will be meaningless.

Thank you for the Committee's efforts to combat trafficking and abuses of the
international matchmaking industry, for the invitation to appear before you today,
and for your consideration of my testimony.






Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 17, 2007, 02:58:58 PM
Thanks MoscowNights for this document. The reporters who are looking at the site today should be aware that MoscowNights is a woman who is against the IMBRA law and who sees the entire document she just posted as radical feminist propaganda. She didn't post this so you would actually think any of it is credible, although the judges in the 4th Circuit did.

I think that Tahirih tried to get Suzanne Jackson to testify in the European Connections IMBRA case that is currently going on. If this is what she was going to lay on the court, and will try to lay on the appeals court, then we better have someone ready to appear as a similar "expert" to refute this. Here is a quick refutation:

[HUMAN TRAFFICKING ISSUES - MS. SUZANNE JACKSON
Statement of Ms. Suzanne Jackson Associate Professor of Clinical Law George
Washington University Law School Washington, DC Committee on Senate Foreign
Relations...]

First we have to realize that a radical feminist is on the Washington Law School staff which apparently has a DC Committee on Senate Foreign Relations. How much power do these women now have with Republicans and conservative judges?

This issue is first and foremost. RADAR and Glenn Sacks and other Men's Rights Activists had better take note that, if these law school feminists strong arm the court system with this crap, the precedents will be set for at least 20 years that feminist crap will win the day in court...and these other Men's organizations plan to go to court.

[July 13, 2004]

This date, by the way, is a shocker because John Kerry and George Bush were neck on neck back then and Americans were horribly split between right wingers and left wingers. I assumed at the time that the Republicans would defend everything I considered important, but I still left the country two weeks after the above date because I was tired of the fact that 2 out of 3 single women were Kerry enthusiasts.

But, if Senator Brownback was a Republican giving radical feminists the time of day in Washington at that time, I was woefully misinformed.

[Thank you to Senator Brownback and to the rest of the Committee for the opportunity
to testify today.]

Where was she testifying and why did a Republican give a radical feminist the opportunity to say something that I should have been allowed to rebutt if I had only known such "testimony" was even taking place.

[My name is Suzanne Jackson, and I am an Associate Professor of
Clinical Law at George Washington Law School. Before becoming a law professor, I
worked as an attorney here in the District of Columbia, representing immigrants and
refugees seeking to escape abusive relationships.]

What law firm? Arnold & Porter per chance? Working mostly with hispanic immigrants who were illegally in the country per chance? This is how one of the studies on abuse rates got propagated: impoverished aliens from the poor part of town were dealt with...and then the feminists could create a smoke and mirrors effect to attack the immigration that most threatens them: white educated women from Eastern Europe.

[Most of my clients did not speak
much English, and had to overcome many obstacles before they could be free of the
threat of domestic violence. Two of my clients had met their husbands through "mailorder
bride" companies,]

Nice touch insulting your clients with that racist term. Two out of how many? 100? 200? Normal statistical happening. This testimony, so far, is irrelevant.

[and it is because of the particular hardships they endured
within the legal system that I began to research the relationship between the "mailorder
bride" industry and trafficking in women. The legal landscape has, on the
whole, improved significantly since those days]

Offering legal assistance and rights to foreigners in the USA is laudable and overdue, but taking away major rights of American citizens should not be part of the process as we shall see she advocates.

[I will refer to the companies as international matchmaking organizations or IMOs
rather than "mail-order bride" agencies, even though the term IMO inaccurately
conveys gender neutrality and a "match" or some level of equality between the
parties.]

In other words, she would prefer to use the racist term "mail order bride site" because, to her, it is more accurate than "international matchmaking website". Talk about radical feminist dissembly. We are going to want to protest the use of the word "mail order bride" as racist and not allow it in any future Congressional or Judicial hearings.

Notice how she is frothing at the bit to make damn sure that everyone knows that American women don't want to meet foreign men online.

Finally, since when is Congress or the Judiciary supposed to rule on relationships having to be "equal" or not.

This, in July 2004, was a blatant attempt to declare anti-feminism illegal...that if a man wants to marry a woman 20 years younger than he is or a heck of a whole lot poorer than he is...he is a "sex trafficker". We will get to this designation below.

"Nothing could be further from the truth: IMOs exist for the benefit of
their paying customers:"

Traditional anti-capitalist rhetoric from a radical feminist.

[men 1 from wealthy nations, including the United States,
Japan and Germany, who want access to women who, most often, have neither economic
nor social power.]

I am writing a book called "The Wealth Trap" on this very subject.

Yes, it is true that the women of the USA, Japan and Germany are from the three most powerful economies in the world. Suzanne is basically saying that these women have economic power and that is basically true. Conversely, the women of Russia, unless they are from Moscow, might have less economic power temporarily. When a woman has less economic power, odds are she will be less ideological as she would not have had the leisure to get all into Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan. She might even think that it is a smart idea to ask a rich, older businessman for advice on a career. The US or German woman might, indeed, hate capitalism.

But Suzanne mentions "social power" next to "economic power".

But does Suzanne have social power as an American? How old is she? Apparently, she gets invited to law school parties and she is apparently invited to the Georgetown parties of Congressmen. Does she get to meet the Supreme Court Justices at these parties?

I am having a problem with this "social power" remark because men see "social power" as having to do with how good looking the woman is...as well as how funny and smart and interesting she might be.

Is Suzanne funny and smart and interesting? If so, then she possibly does have social power. But this is not related to her coming from the USA, Germany and Japan. Suzanne needs to face the fact that a Moscow State University freshman possibly has more "social power" than she does as a Washington DC law professor.

Furthermore, GERMAN WOMEN WOULD NEVER AGREE TO A LAW REGULATING GERMAN MEN IN TERMS OF THEIR ABILITY TO GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY (TWO HOURS AWAY IN MOST CASES) TO MEET A WOMAN.

German women, because of economic power, do have the "social power" to be bitchy...but the competition is a lot closer to them than it is to Suzanne. I can write a book about this.

[Marketing strategies used by IMOs advertise women as generic to
their ethnicity - all Russian women are X, all Asian women are Y]

Blanket statement...and were people really discussing reasons for regulating the Internet back in 2004?!!!

Didn't we already get a law upheld by the Supreme Court that protects the Internet?

Why is the American legal system built so they can keep coming back for more persecution of the rights that were just upheld recently?

To be continued...


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 17, 2007, 04:08:30 PM
Continuing with the analysis of the radical feminist Suzanne Jackson of George Washington University Law School:

The "marketing statements" of a dating site are free speech and the antennaes of Republican judges and politicians as well as Democrat judges and politicians need to be whirring when they see someone act like the "marketing statements" of a dating site cry out for regulation.

[and emphasize that the women they offer (women who are in fact hoping to leave
their home countries) will all be "home-oriented" and "traditional" wives.]

How the HELL do know for a FACT that they want to leave? These days, Eastern Europeans want the man to move to THEIR countries. The women mostly want to find a MAN not a country.

And how the HELL did a Republican Senator and federal judges listen to a radical feminist condemn traditional family values rhetoric and agree with the radical feminist on her premise that such marketing talk by a website is bad?

In the court room when Suzanne gets her chance, probably before the staunchly conservative 11th Circuit Appeals Court in the European Connections Case, the European Connections lawyers BETTER HAVE PREPARED THE JUDGES AHEAD OF TIME THAT CONDEMNATION OF TRADITONAL FAMILY VALUES RHETORIC (REGARDLESS OF HOW SAPPY AND SILLY A WEBSITE MAY HAVE BEEN IN THEIR PROSE) IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF RADICAL LEFT WING FEMINIST IDEOLOGY AND HAS NO PLACE BEING ACCEPTED BY A CONSERVATIVE JUDGE AT ALL: PERIOD.

This is why we really could use a donation of $100,000 to advertise now in the Atlanta Journal Constitution that this kind of talk is not something a Conservative should countenance.

[Some companies guarantee women's availability,]

This statement is entirely untrue or represents a marketing lie by some nitwit (anyone can have a website for $11.98 per month hosting fees). There are laws against false advertising.

This is where an opposing lawyer would have to object: you cannot regulate online dating websites!

[others guarantee marriage within a year of subscribing to their service,]

Did Encounters do this? I think they said "or your money back".

I wouldn't pay big bucks for someone to guarantee that I will be tied down in marriage a year from now. ;)

But for someone who really wants to be married, a money back guarantee is part of the 2 million year old matchmaking industry. GOVERNMENT SHOULD KEEP THEIR PAWS OFF THE MATCHMAKING INDUSTRY

Her sentence makes it clear that Suzanne hates the concept of marriage, which is part of radical feminist ideology.

[one even allows a man to remove a woman from the
website to prevent competition during a courtship: 'Select One, She's Yours,"
promises this company.]

Which company was that? Some joker who never earned a dime from his site? Probably. Most people who dabbled in the online dating industry in the past ten years went out of business. Heck, I even owned such a site but I earned only $50 per month and I could have earned $75 per month just leasing the domain name out to a porn site and shutting down the dating service. Instead, I just shut the whole thing down and 199 women (half of whom were American) never met their mate via my website (but there is one happy couple that resulted from the 2 month operation).

Anyway, the reality of the industry is that the dating sites are immoral in the other direction: THEY NEVER TAKE THE WOMEN'S PROFILES OFF THE WEBSITE: EVEN WHEN I WAS DATING A WOMAN ALREADY TWO YEARS HER PROFILE WAS STILL ON THE DATING SITE AND SHE WAS GETTING TWO PAPER MAILS TO HER HOME ADDRESS EVERY MONTH.

In fact, her profile is still there 10 years later! And it is the same photograph. The profiles NEVER come down.

So much for the nonsense that there is any trend of website owners giving exclusive access to the other members.

IN FACT: IMBRA IS WHAT UNFAIRLY GIVES SOME MEN EXCLUSIVE ACCESS TO WOMEN: I BOUGHT THREE HUNDRED HOME ADDRESSES OF WOMEN BEFORE IMBRA CAME INTO EFFECT. NO MAN CAN NOW BUY THOSE ADDRESSES FROM THE AMERICAN WEBSITE I BOUGHT THEM FROM.

IMBRA was my pimp. Thanks Suzanne, for getting a law passed that stops other American men from meeting these 300 women.  :)

[IMOs have been linked to criminal trafficking in several ways[/u]. They can be nothing
more than fronts for criminal trafficking organizations, in which adults and girls
are offered to the public as brides but sold privately into prostitution]

Non-American criminal enterprises can use any cover they want and THIS SHOULD NOT RESULT IN THE REGULATION OF WHAT THE FOREIGN CRIMINALS PRETENDED TO BE. Enough said.

[Police in the United Kingdom found organized criminal gangs from Russia, the former
Soviet Union and the Balkans using the Internet to advertise women for sale to
brothels in Western Europe and also to men as"internet brides."]

This is irrelevant. It is like saying "A Serbian man in Montenegro pretended to be a clown in a travelling circus and raped a 12 year old Bosnian girl...therefore we must regulate travelling circuses in the USA".

[A study by Global
Survival Network (GSN)]

Who the frig are they? Did 3 federal appeals judges listen to this crap about an organization calling itself GSN and just accept these people as "experts" of some sort?

Is this the kind of kangaroo court country the USA has become?

[found that most mail-order bride agencies in Russia have
expanded their activities to include trafficking for prostitution.]

Not true, but let us first discuss the prostitution websites that are pathetic but legal: Condi Rice has been warned by the European Union to but out on trying to make prostitution illegal around the world. Is this the angle where Republicans support regulation of American men in their dating activity?

IF REPUBLICANS WILL GET BEHIND THE IDEA THAT AMERICANS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PROSTITUTES OVERSEAS THEY CAN WATCH THE MILITARY VOTE DISAPPEAR  ;)

Whether one agrees with prostitution or not, everyone in the US Congress and judicial system needs to know when a radical feminist is trying to say that PROSTITUTION is what she is condemning, not "trafficking".

FOR A RADICAL FEMINIST, PROSTITUTION IS TRAFFICKING IS PROSTITUTION. There is no difference. So we have to be careful, as the EC case heads toward a very conservative appeals court and Supreme Court...maybe these new justices really believe that the USA, as the world's only superpower, can and should use its legal and economic might to eliminate prostitution around the world.

And, since all relationships between men and women (unless that woman is older than the man such as Suzanne Jackson with her law professor salary) can be argued as being "prostitution"...a court that wants to ban prostitution around the world can and will regulate international dating websites.

The European Connections lawyer needs to set the record straight before any Suzanne Jackson testimony that any use of the word "trafficking" is just another word for "prostitution". If that is what the IMBRA proponents want to ban, THEN WHY DID THEY NOT SAY THAT AMERICAN MEN HAVE TO PROVIDE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND FORMS TO THE PROSTITUTES ON THE PROSTITUTION WEBSITES THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE DATING INDUSTRY EVEN IF A FEW RUSSIAN MEN OPERATE SEPARATE WEBSITES IN BOTH INDUSTRIES?

You better believe that this was just an oversight. I GET THE STRONG FEELING THAT THIS IS NOT OVER YET BY A LONG SHOT UNLESS WE NIP THIS IN THE BUD NOW.

I SEE A LAW BANNING AMERICAN MEN FROM USING FOREIGN PROSTITUTES ENTIRELY. We are not talking about a law 5 years ago that said American men could be prosecuted in the USA for having sex with foreign underage prostitutes in their countries. Because nobody questioned the authority of the US government to govern citizens outside its territory, we are going to see Republicans like Brownback working with feminists like Cantwell to make it so an American male can be prosecuted upon his return to the USA for having slept with a foreign adult prostitute.

We know from American history that American men will always fold on the subject of prostution (which is why we have to prepare the field more to make sure that the dating industry, domestic or international, must not be characterized as prostitution).

But it could still destroy the Republican Party in the 2008 Elections with the military vote if the USA is seen as trying to ban prostitution around the world.

So much for the subject of prostitution. Now on to a separate subject:

The core marriage agencies in Russia are run by sincere women who look out for the welfare of everyone. American men do not need to be slandered for using any of these agencies to make friends and meet a possible wife.

[European embassies have reported that a number of matchmaking agencies conceal organized
prostitution rings victimizing newly-arrived Filipina women.]

These are not American agencies and European laws already exist to deal with the issue. Case closed.

Except Suzanne dishonestly implied that American agencies did this and that American agencies need to be regulated along with the innocent men who use them.

Did the US 4th Circuit Appeals Court really buy this crap?


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 17, 2007, 04:46:41 PM
By the way, I shouldn't have to be the only American who can dissect Suzanne Jackson's radical slander of the dating industry. I cannot fly to Atlanta to be the Plaintiff's "expert" on the International Matchmaking Industry, although as a customer for 14 years, I am the real expert:

 [Asian groups have used
fiancee visas and marriage with a so-called "jockey" (an escort bringing women
across the U.S. border) to bring women into the U.S. for purposes of prostitution;
jockeys have even included U.S. military personnel posted abroad.]

Nice touch of hatred by a radical feminist for the military. But servicemen are often so politically correct that they would not take this as the insult it was meant to be.

In any event, it is irrelevant how foreign criminals cover their deeds. They do not use American-owned dating websites and Americans are already subject to laws that ban bringing women into the USA for prostitution.

You cannot regulate breathing because someone who breathes committed a crime.

[IMOs are almost completely unregulated, advertise minors for marriage, and fail to
screen their male clients for criminal histories.]

Of course online dating websites on are almost completely unregulated and that is the way it will remain in the free world. If the USA does not want to be a member of the free world, I should contact more foreign journalists.

French and German dating websites often consider 16 to be the age of consent to date. Ironically, Russian and Filipina dating sites almost always consider 18 as the minimum age.

France and Germany are first world countries.

NOTE THAT THE EC LAWYER IS GOING TO HAVE TO PREPARE THE FIELD FOR THIS KIND OF RHETORIC SO THE JUDGES ARE IMMUNIZED. MAYBE JUDGE COOPER SAW THROUGH THE RHETORIC LAST SPRING BUT HIS DELAY MAKES ME WONDER AND I KNOW THAT THE APPEALS COURT OR SUPREME COURT WILL BE LISTENING TO SUZANNE JACKSONS GARBAGE:

WE HAVE BEEN WARNED THIS EVENING BY THIS DOCUMENT: SUZANNE JACKSON WILL SAY THIS VERY SAME NONSENSE TO HIGH LEVEL FEDERAL JUDGES IN THE USA. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET A REBUTTAL ACROSS TO THOSE JUDGES BEFORE SHE SPEAKS?

[IMO practices exacerbate problems with false expectations: they require women to complete long questionnaires asking intrusive personal questions,]

What?? Leaving aside the fact that IMBRA burdens US men with unconstitutional questions, 99% of dating sites include a pathetic sentence saying the woman wants to meet a kind and faithful man and she likes kittens!

In fact, it was MY BUSINESS PLAN 7 YEARS AGO TO PROVIDE A MORE DEPTH INTERVIEW but men basically choose on looks, including myself, so my business plan to ask tons of questions did not work.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THE LONG INTERVIEWS WITH ALL THOSE QUESTIONS WERE EXTREMELY PLEASANT. The women loved being interviewed and talking about their favorite books and movies, etc.

[encouraging disclosure by implying or stating that
false answers could lead to cancellation of any ensuing immigration benefits.]

This is "hearsay". I am not a lawyer but I know enough about the law to know that the US federal judges don't need to be adjudicating on hearsay and anecdotes.

[Women are also subjected to medical and background checks, and may assume that
participating men are evaluated with the same level of scrutiny. ]

On what planet are women subject to such checks for a dating website?

ON WHAT PLANET ARE WOMEN SUBJECT TO SUCH CHECKS FOR A DATING WEBSITE?

[Women from other countries often assume that all governmental agencies in the United States - a
country with extraordinary resources and technology - have access to information
held by other agencies, that facts asserted in applications for immigration benefits
would be checked, and that a man who had been convicted of serious violent crimes
would not be permitted to bring a spouse or fiance into the U.S. from abroad.]

THIS IS BLATANT AND MENTALLY SICK RHETORIC: PRETENDING THAT FOREIGN WOMEN TEND TO BELIEVE ANY SUCH THING...ARE THE US COURTS SUPPOSED TO ADOPT RADICAL FEMINIST POSITIONS BECAUSE SOME ARAB WOMEN MIGHT COME TO THE USA BELIEVING THAT AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN ARE MORE TIGHTLY REGULATED?

ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO FASCIST BECAUSE SOME MUSLIM WOMEN ASSUME THAT WE OPERATE LIKE THEIR HOME COUNTRIES? Do not assume Russian women expect such control in the USA. There is no such regulation in Russia as everyone remembers the Soviet Union.

[The industry does nothing, however, to screen male customers:]

Not true at all. I screened the hell out of my customers. But online dating websites cannot not be responsible legally for background checks. NOTICE THE RHETORIC THAT MAKES IT SOUND SHOCKING THAT A FASCIST LAW HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED: SHE MENTIONS LATER THAT MOBA 1996 WAS NEVER ENFORCED JUST LIKE IMBRA MUST NEVER BE ENFORCED (IMBRA REPLACES MOBA)

[no detailed questionnaire,]

MUST NOT BE LEGALLY REQUIRED FOR SOCIALIZING WITH OTHERS ON THE INTERNET ESPECIALLY IF THIS REQUIRES IDENTIFYING ONESELF OR PROVING AGE

[no check for a criminal record for spousal or child abuse,]

THIS WOULD REQUIRE POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION AND AGE VERIFICATION FOR USE OF THE INTERNET. THE SUPREME COURT ALREADY RULED AGAINST THIS IN THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT AND WHY HAS EUROPEAN CONNECTIONS NOT MENTIONED THIS?

[no formal inquiry as to whether men are already married.]

IF A MAN VOLUNTEERS THAT HE IS MARRIED, MOST AGENCIES WILL TELL HIM TO GET LOST BUT, having said that, THE US GOVERNMENT CANNOT RE-OUTLAW MARITAL INFIDELITY!

IS THIS BROWNBACK'S ANGLE? HE WANTS TO SPLIT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BY MAKING IT ILLEGAL FOR A MARRIED MAN TO DATE ONLINE?

I UNDERSTAND SUCH LAWS EXIST IN MISSOURI?

DO YOU SEE HOW THE RADICAL FEMINISTS ARE ALLYING WITH THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT ON THE SUBJECT OF BANNING MARITAL INFIDELITY?

NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHY THE "CHRISTIANS" ARE NOT HELPING MEN WITH THEIR RIGHTS?

[Until recently, the U.S. government also did not
conduct these inquiries.]

In order to get married, an American man should be allowed the privacy he has had for the past 50 years regardless of whether he is marrying a foreign woman or an American woman.

[An IMO can also be a useful tool of, and sometimes a knowing collaborator with, an
individual man who wishes to obtain control over a woman in order to exploit her. A
U.S. citizen can use isolation, domination, and threats of deportation]

NOW THIS WHOLE SECTION GOES INTO THEORY AND HEARSAY AND ANECDOTES THAT A FEDERAL JUDGE SHOULD KNOW IS HIS CUE TO FALL ASLEEP

[Add to the facts in both scenarios above that the citizen forces a woman to have sex
with other men who pay him for the privilege.]

THE JUDGES SHOULD STILL BE SLEEPING BECAUSE THIS IS IRRELEVANT HEARSAY AND THEORY AND/OR ANECDOTE

[Add to the facts in any scenario that instead of using a fiancee visa to secure a
woman's entry into the U.S., the man marries her abroad and brings her to the U.S.
as his wife. These scenarios, distilled from actual cases,10 all fulfill the
elements of the federal crime of forced labor: domestic labor or sexual services]

FOR RADICAL FEMINISTS LIKE SUZANNE JACKSON MARRIAGE ITSELF IS DOMESTIC LABOR AND SEXUAL SERVICES

[They should also satisfy the elements of criminal sex trafficking, if the required
element of 'commercial sex act" is interpreted on the basis of the statutory
language rather than a myopic intepretation focusing exclusively on brothel-based
prostitution or monetary transactions.]

SO THE FEDERAL JUDGES WILL BE MYOPIC IF THEY DO NOT CONCLUDE THAT DATING AGENCIES ARE RESPONSIBLE AND LIABLE FOR ANYTHING FORMER MEMBERS DO, in this case for when a man actually wants his wife to cook or clean or have sex with him (commercial sex act for the non-myopic).

[Commercial sex is defined in the Trafficking
Victims Protection Act as "any sex act, on account of which anything of value is
given to or received by any person."]

THAT DOES IT: I CANNOT PAY FOR ANY MORE MEALS WITH AMERICAN WOMEN IN WASHINGTON DC: WE MIGHT GET ARRESTED IF WE HAVE SEX LATER. 8)

[When an IMO sells a young woman for sexual purposes, as in a Web page openly
offering sex with fifteen- to seventeen-year old Thai girls,]

THAT IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF AN IMO!!!!

DID FEDERAL JUDGES FALL FOR THESE 4TH GRADE SCHOOLYARD TACTICS???????????????

[boasting that a girl could be delivered "anywhere in the world," charging extra to deliver a virgin, and
also offered girls for sale outright - pay $4,000 more, the company promised,"and
then she is like your slave forever."

THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWS AGAINST SUCH A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE

THERE IS NO LOGIC HERE ON WHY DATING SITES NEED TO BE REGULATED SIMPLY BECAUSE CRIMINALS OPERATED A WEBSITE SOMEWHERE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY PRETENDED TO BE A DATING SITE (ALTHOUGH IN THIS CASE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DID NOT EVEN PRETEND TO BE A DATING SITE)

YOU CANNOT PUNISH PEOPLE FOR BREATHING SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO BREATHES COMMITS A CRIME

[this is clearly commercial sex
trafficking.]

DUH!

[If both parties to the sale know that the person will be forced or
coerced to have sex, both are sex traffickers.]

DUH! Except you cannot then state that a dating site owner will know whether a man will abuse his new girlfriend or wife.

IF FOREIGN DATING SITES ARE TO BE REGULATED - AMERICAN DOMESTIC DATING SITES MUST BE REGULATED - PLENTY OF AMERICAN WOMEN ARE ABUSED WHO MET A MAN ON MATCH DOT COM

[The formality of a marriage or a supposed engagement to marry should not blind us to the federal crimes of sex
trafficking, forced labor and involuntary servitude: when a citizen threatens to
revoke an application for a green card unless an immigrant submits to sex]

DID FEDERAL JUDGES FALL FOR THIS CHILDISH LINK BETWEEN REAL CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR AND THE THEORY THAT A MARRIED MAN WILL WITHHOLD SOMETHING HIS DOMESTIC OR FOREIGN WIFE WANTS IF, FOR SOME REASON, SHE DECIDES THAT SHE IS NO LONGER ATTRACTED TO HIM?

NOTICE HOW SUZANNE MAKES THE NOT SO SUBTLE IMPLICATION THAT ALL FOREIGN WOMEN WHO MARRY AMERICAN MEN ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY HAVING SEX WITH THEIR HUSBANDS?

NOTICE HOW THE CONCEPT THAT A MAN OFTEN LOSES SEXUAL INTEREST IN HIS WIFE AND THEN CHEATS ON HER...WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED ABOVE?

MEN APPARENTLY NEED TO BE REGULATED FOR NOT WANTING SEX WITH THEIR WIVES AND FOR WANTING SEX

[the valuable consideration of legal residency in the United States fulfills both the
"commercial sex" requirement and the coercion requirement of the criminal sex
trafficking statute. ]

I DO NOT LIKE USING CAPITAL LETTERS AND ODR MEMBERS KNOW I USE THEM VERY RARELY BUT SUZANNE JACKSON OF THE GEORGE WASHINGTON LAW SCHOOL IS OVER THE TOP HERE. AND I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT FEDERAL JUDGES HEARD THIS CRAP IN THE ENCOUNTERS CASE AND DID NOT REGISTER THEIR DISBELIEF IN THE FINAL DECISION (INSTEAD THEY SWALLOWED THE WHOLE LINE OF THOUGHT - I HAVE READ THEIR UNPUBLISHED DECISION).

Americans are the most self-important people in the world, stating that their citizenship is worth it for good women to prostitute themselves over.

[The same applies in the context of sexual exploitation of
domestic workers, migrant workers, sweatshop workers, or any instance where sex is
coerced or forced through threats of deportation,]

SO SUZANNE JACKSON WANTS TO BAN MARRIAGE TO FOREIGNERS ALTOGETHER WITH THIS REASONING ALONG WITH STOPPING ALL RELATIONSHIPS WHERE THE MAN EARNS MORE MONEY THAN THE WOMAN

[So that a person is led to believe that on account of the sex act, the person will receive respite from threats of
deportation.]

THE REASONING HERE ELUDES ME: IF A RELATIONSHIP IS NOT WORKING OUT, THE MAN OWES THE WOMAN A PLANE TICKET HOME AND SOME ALIMONY PAYMENTS DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THE MARRIAGE. IF A WOMAN GIVES UP HER JOB IN KIEV TO FLY TO THE USA ON A FIANCE VISA, THE MAN HAS NO OBLIGATION TO ACTUALLY MARRY HER BUT HE DOES HAVE THE MORAL OBLIGATION TO GIVE HER ENOUGH MONEY TO FIND A NEW JOB IN HER HOME COUNTRY.

THE AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM MUST NOT RECOGNIZE THE RADICAL FEMINIST CRAP THAT RUSSIA OR THE PHILIPPINES ARE SUPPOSEDLY HORRIBLE PLACES TO LIVE IN WHERE THE PROSPECT OF RETURNING IS THE PROSPECT OF CRUEL AND INHUMAN PUNISHMENT

IN FACT, IS THERE A WAY FOR AN AMERICAN CITIZEN TO ASK THE SUPREME COURT TO ISSUE GUIDELINES ALONG THE LINE OF THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT ANY IDIOT JUDGE WILL BE AWARE THAT IT IS NOT A GIVEN THAT SOCALLED DEPORTATION IS A THREAT SO MUCH AS A VALID RESULT OF A RELATIONSHIP NOT WORKING OUT?

IT IS NOT ANYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY BUT THE FOREIGN WOMAN'S IF SHE WANTS TO PUNISH HERSELF BY BEING UNHAPPY IN THE USA AS COMPARED TO HAPPY IN THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY SHE PROBABLY COMES FROM

[The criminal penalties for sex trafficking should be brought to bear
against individuals who use IMOs to extort sex and domestic services from individual
brought into the U.S. through fiancee visas or through marriage.]

BUT HOW DO YOU PROVE THIS? WAIT A SECOND, SHE IS SAYING THAT, ACCORDING TO RADICAL FEMINIST IDEOLOGY, ALL MARRIAGES TO FOREIGNERS INVOLVES THIS SO WE ALL NEED TO HAVE CRIMINAL PENALTIES BROUGHT TO BEAR AGAINST US.

[IMOs also camouflage trafficking indirectly by inflating the number of visa
applicants, which reduces governmental resources to evaluate individuals' requests
for fiancee visas.]

IMOs INFLATE THE NUMBERS FOR THE SAME REASON THAT MATCH DOT COM PRETENDS THEY JUST GOT ONE MILLION NEW MEMBERS IN THE PAST TWENTY FOUR HOURS. It is marketing crap that are already regulated by fair trade laws and Match.com is in a lawsuit now because of the way they lie about their membership. BUT I WOULD PREFER THAT MATCH DOT COM WIN ITS CASE AND THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING TO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN DATING WEBSITES

[Until recenty, U.S. immigration authorities conducted no
investigation of applicants for fiancee or spousal visas, not requiring any
background criminal check, ]

TECHNICALLY, WHILE THE TRO RESTRAINING ORDER WAS IN EFFECT ON IMBRA, THE US GOVERNMENT HAD NO RIGHT TO DELAY 10,000 MARRIAGES IN 2006 AND I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT NOBODY IS SUING FOR DAMAGES AS A RESULT.

WHEN IMBRA IS OVERTURNED THIS MONTH, IT NEEDS TO STAY OVERTURNED AS THE EC LAWYER BATTLES THE KIND OF RHETORIC FROM THIS DOCUMENT THAT MAKES IT SOUND NATURAL THAT A GOVERNMENT SHOULD INVESTIGATE ITS OWN CITIZENS INSTEAD OF THEIR FIANCES.

SUZANNE IS A GREAT RHETORICIAN: SHE MAKES IT SOUND UNCONSCIONABLE THAT IT HAS "ONLY BEEN RECENTLY" THAT THE US GOVERNMENT HAS TREATED MEN WHO DATE FOREIGN WOMEN DIFFERENTLY FROM MEN WHO DATE AMERICAN WOMEN

[not asking whether the petitioner is legally able to
marry, not even checking its own records to see if an applicant previously
petitioned for another person.]

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS TO INTERVENE IN AN AMERICAN'S PRIVATE LIFE, AND IF I WERE TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE 11th CIRCUIT I WOULD ASK THAT THE FIANCE VISA BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF A TOURIST VISA AT LEAST FOR RUSSIA AND THE UKRAINE AND KAZAHKSTAN. ASSUMING THAT THE FIANCE VISA IS FAIR (WHICH I DO NOT ASSUME) IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO SEE IF ANY OTHER WOMAN IS BEING APPLIED FOR SIMULTANEOUSLY. BUT IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS TO INVOLVE ITSELF IN THE AFFAIRS OF A SERIAL MONOGAMIST  ;)



Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 17, 2007, 05:56:48 PM
This is more critiquing of the July 2004 "testimony" of a radical feminist law professor in Washington DC before a Senate committee was it? If so, Men's Rights Groups have got to get their act together and be ready to rebutt this nonsense in real time in front of the same Congressional committees. Someone like me should have stared into Suzanne Jackson's eyes as she left the witness stand and he approached it to slice and dice her arguments as lies, hearsay and radical feminist ideology.

Back in 2004, the Republican Party was still seemingly run by men with balls. If we had known about Bush being willing to sign a law like IMBRA in 2004 instead of 2006, we could have had him defeated (but only if a journalist ran with the issue, which has not happened in our timeline yet).

It is a measure of how anemic the Men's Rights Movement is and how sick the American male Zeitgeist is that a guy like me gets to be the first American male to rebutt this testimony 2.5 years after it occurred.

Here is part 4 of my rebuttal:

[Since the tragedy of September 11 th , the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration
Services has increased scrutiny of all petitioners and beneficiaries of petitions
for immigration benefits, including petitions for fiance visas and marriage-based
adjustment]

Feminists were not thinking about terrorism in scrutinizing Americans in this regard. Their main objective is stopping the competition and ending all "unequal relationships".

[Senator Cantwell has made several excellent proposals to change the
process for obtaining a fiancee visa, which if enacted and implemented would place
minimal burdens on the IMOs and on the participants in the process, while likely
preventing some serious abuses of the system.]

SHE IS TALKING ABOUT IMBRA HERE! SHE IS SAYING THAT CANTWELL HAS MADE EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS WHICH IS THE IMBRA LAW: HOW IS IT A MINIMAL BURDEN THAT MY RIGHT TO SAY HELLO TO SOMEONE ON A SATURDAY IS DENIED BECAUSE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND PAPERWORK CAN ONLY ALLOW ME TO SAY HELLO NEXT THURSDAY WHEN I MIGHT BE TEN THOUSAND MILES AWAY FROM A WOMAN?

[But even enacting such a law will accomplish nothing if Congress is not prepared to ensure that the laws are
implemented by the Executive Branch.]

IS THE STATE DEPARTMENT IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH? THE DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY? AND AFTER THEM PRESIDENT BUSH IS SUPPOSED TO PUSH FOR ENFORCEMENT OF IMBRA AFTER IT IS PASSED? FUNNY, BUT PRESIDENT BUSH HAS NOT MENTIONED IMBRA SINCE HE SIGNED IT. I WONDER WHY?

THE DHS WAS IMPLEMENTING IMBRA WHEN IT HAD A RESTRAINING ORDER, BUT THE WORST IMPLEMENTERS OF IMBRA WERE THE CUSTOMERS AND IMOs THEMSELVES, WHICH I FIND COWARDLY.

AS YOU WILL SEE BELOW, THE MOBA OF 1996 WAS NEVER ENFORCED AND WE COULD HAVE BEEN ACTING LIKE IMBRA DID NOT EXIST EITHER BUT INSTEAD MAYBE ODR AND OUR PROTESTS ACTUALLY CAUSED THE INDUSTRY TO ENFORCE ITSELF.

MAYBE WE HAVE FAILED AT OUR MISSION HERE AT ODR BECAUSE WE SCARED MEN INTO IMPLEMENTING A LAW WHOSE PREDECESSOR WAS NEVER ENFORCED

[This is not the first piece of legislation
recognizing and attempting to address problems in the IMO industry. So many serious
abuses were noted against "mail- order brides" in the U.S. that Congress in 1996
ordered IMOs to provide information to their "recruits" on their rights under U.S.
laws.)

USE OF ANECDOTES ACHIEVED THIS - THERE WERE NO STUDIES DONE THEN AS THERE ARE NO HONEST STUDIES DONE NOW THAT SHOW ANY ABUSE PROBLEM - IT WAS ACHIEVED ON THE PREJUDICE WHICH IS BASED ON EITHER JINGOISM OR JEALOUSY

[Eight years later, this law is still not implemented or enforced.14 The
comment period for the proposed regulation expired in 1997, yet the June 23, 2004
Federal Register announced that the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking will not be issued
until sometime in December of this year[/b] (Encounters was charged and convicted for supposedly not obiding to the law that had not been  implemented at the time of the trial  nor had it ever been  emplemented since IMBRA replaced  it altogether shortly after the trial. Added by the Moscownights).

BUT THE MOBA WAS FINALLY ENFORCED IN THE KANGAROO COURT TRIAL OF ENCOUNTERS WHICH ALL MEN'S RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO TAKE A VERY CLOSE LOOK AT AND NOT IGNORE

[Senator Cantwell's legislation asks the
Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services to complete a study of the IMO
industry and the extent of its compliance with the new requirements within two years
of the legislation's enactment, but if the regulations are not in place to ensure
that Congress1 enactments have the force of law, this study and the other reforms
contemplated, will be meaningless.]

THIS IS A MAJOR THREAT - A BAD LAW MUST NOT BE ENFORCED

I HAVE NO INTENTION OF OBEYING IMBRA: I WILL USE ONLY IMBRA-NON-COMPLIANT WEBSITES AND IF I APPLY FOR A VISA I WILL NOT LIE LIKE I ADVISE OTHERS TO DO BECAUSE I WILL LEAVE THE IMBRA QUESTIONS BLANK AND SUE THE GOVERNMENT IF THEY FAIL TO PROCESS MY VISA WITHOUT MY ANSWERS TO HOW I MET MY FIANCE

[Thank you for the Committee's efforts to combat trafficking and abuses of the
international matchmaking industry, for the invitation to appear before you today,
and for your consideration of my testimony.]

THE ONLY ABUSES ARE THE ONES COMMITTED BY SUZANNE JACKSON IN THIS TESTIMONY AND THE FACT THAT DECENT CITIZENS LIKE MYSELF HAD NO IDEA THAT SUCH BULLSHIT COMMITTEE MEETINGS WERE GOING ON AT THE TIME

I CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN OFFERED A CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMITTEE IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE MEETINGS AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WARNED ABOUT WHEN THE NEXT MEETINGS WILL TAKE PLACE

WE ARE WARNED THAT SUZANNE JACKSON WILL PROBABLY GET TO SPEAK BEFORE THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IN THE EC CASE SOMETIME THIS YEAR

FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED

PLEASE WRITE YOUR OWN CRITIQUES OF SUZANNE JACKSON'S ARGUMENTS


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Bobt1991 on May 29, 2007, 07:20:39 AM
The whole idea that human trafficking is associated with international introduction agencies is so ludicrous that it is laughable.  The fact that these agencies are called "marriage brokers" is so unbelievable to me that I can't believe this is happening in the United States of America!  We need to drive home the point that these introduction services are nothing more than a variant of the personals ads you see in your local newspaper every week!  The only difference is that they introduce singles from various countries to those in America and other countries.  People place their personal profile to be published in a magazine or on a web site, and the reader can respond to those that interest him or her.  Communication ensues through letter, telephone or email and the parties eventually meet, possibly planning a future together.  That's all it is, folks!  This is the dark, sinister thing called "marriage brokering" that became the impetus to the nanny law!  Would somebody please explain to me how this service can function as a "human trafficking" operation?

We spent a half a century and hundreds of billions of dollars fighting a strategic war to liberate half of Europe and half of Asia from a form of government that controls the private lives of individuals.  To this day we impose economic sanctions and restrict U.S. travel to Cuba because of the violations of civil liberty imposed by the Castro government on its own citizens.  Yet, the U.S. government sees fit to restrict our freedom to contact a "friendship seeker" in a foreign "personals ad" column!  We need to send a message to Washington to get government out of the "personals ads" and out of our personal, private lives.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: tristan on May 29, 2007, 09:18:03 AM
Bob,

This activity is not connected with sex/human trafficking but the radical feminists that support the law cleverly calculated that if they said it is so connected and referred to dating services as "marriage brokers" they could smear this activity and ensure that most people would instantly condemn it.  After all, they convinced Congress and the mainstream media, didn't they?

Radical feminists have devoted their careers to finding new real and imagined ways that men are abusive.  Then, they can suggest remedies that include federal grants, foundation grants and corporate donations to their causes.

It is a sickness of our society but few people recognize it as such at this point.

If you want to translate your anger into action, let us know.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: sig44 on May 29, 2007, 12:52:46 PM
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Taylor on May 30, 2007, 01:59:00 AM

The basic manner in which human trafficking occurs doesn’t even fit in well with how international introduction agencies work.  The argument doesn’t make any sense.  As far as I can tell, the claim that the international dating agencies are involved in human trafficking is completely unfounded.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Delphi_Programmer on August 08, 2007, 06:54:09 PM
Feminist literature about international dating is filled with words like "arranged" marriages, or claims that dating agencies "facilitate" marriage between clients and foreign women.  This lie is often missed because it's in the opening sentence, and the rest of their rant is based on it.

These claims are, of course, utterly ridiculous!  Someone needs to drill home the message that international dating works the same way the local personals columns do.  People place ads, and people answer ads, and the only thing that is facilitated is the ability to write letters or emails.  The individuals themselves decide what, if any, relationship develops.

I've noticed that feminist reports about this subject seem to repeat the same things over and over throughout the text, underneith their sophisticated jargon and double-speak.  You can read the first paragraph and know what the whole 10-page report says.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: khankrumthebulgar on September 26, 2007, 05:16:17 AM
Feminism cannot be supported except by Lies and propaganda. It is in fact in the US a Lesbian Movement, with a few sell out Straight Women who hate Men. This was vividly pointed out when NOW had its 40th birthday celebration. What was their Agenda? Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, and Transgendered Rights. Yes thats the real concerns of the majority of Women. Not Child Care, Divorce, Health issues etc. NOW should be called THEN since it is full of aging Boomer Lesbians and Man Haters.

Concerned Women of America is a much larger grass roots group and gets very little media. Except for Fox News. IMBRA and the Mail Order Bride Trafficking is utter rubbish. Less than 200 cases a year? As reported by Carery Roberts on Mensnewsdaily.com today. Again this is a manufactured Crisis and Fraud. But what is most disturbing is that both VAWA and IMBRA passed 100% in the US Senate including the most Conservative Republicans who are bailing on Men, Marriage and the Family. While decrying Family Values.

I consider the GOP (Greedy Oppulent Poluters) a bunch of lying weasels. The Gang Who Cannot Shoot Straight. A bunch of Idiots promoting Slogans with no Spine or Backbone. We are in this mess because Conservative Women have been silent and complicit in supporting their Leftist Sisters in their Man Hating Agenda.

Feminism may be led by Liberals but it is funded by Conservatives and US Corporations. Who buys the Ads on Oprah's Shows? Who did the "Bold Moves" commercial featuring a Dad who is Divorced living in an Apartment meekly thanking his ex wife for letting him spend a day with His Children. Men are reduced to Wage Slaves, Peons. An Attorney who marched with Gloria Steinem now fighting for Men's Rights in Michigan, said "Men are the new Beasts of Burden. I did not march to turn Men into Slaves."

IMBRA signals real desperation on the part of the Femifascists. They know if enough Men bail on US Women. Feminism will implode. They also need to find jobs for all those Women's Studies Grads. So creating a New Artificial crisis helps to create employment. Its a Make work project a Feminist version of the New Deal Works Progress Administration.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: tristan on September 26, 2007, 06:42:52 AM
Feminism cannot be supported except by Lies and propaganda. It is in fact in the US a Lesbian Movement, with a few sell out Straight Women who hate Men.

Bulgar, your passion is getting the better of you.  The concept of feminism as equality between the sexes can be supported for that reason alone.  And while I think that feminist theory does support lesbianism I don't think lesbianism is the raison d'etre of feminism.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: khankrumthebulgar on September 26, 2007, 07:41:10 AM
According to its own Membership data. At least 40% of NOW's membership is admitted and self professed Lesbians. The same is true of other Leading Gender Feminist Groups.

 Man Hatred OK At
University Of New Hampshire
By Shannon O'Neil
The New Hampshire (University Newspaper)
3-27-5
 

Feminism and controversy surged throughout campus on March 10. Black and white flyers depicted a drawing of a woman grasping onto a hammer with "FEMINISM" on the handle. In the middle of the female symbol fists were clenched and space above the woman read: "If I had a hammer...I'd SMASH Patriarchy." A bubble by her face said, "I FOUND IT!"
 
UNH students found it, too.
 
Approximately 40 people attended the Patriarchy Slam organized by the Feminist Action League (FAL). ..The event, featuring poetry readings, skits, monologues and an open microphone, was designed to give women a space to share their experiences of oppression in a comfortable setting, Megan Smith, a member of the FAL, said.
 
"[The event was designed to] encourage women to confront the perpetrators who are men," Smith said. "Ninety-nine percent of sexual perpetrators are men. They are the root cause of the rape and oppression against women."
 
The FAL's hatred of the patriarchy, a male-ruled society, was decoratively affirmed with 10 hanging balloons, each displaying a letter of the word "patriarchy." Each was dramatically popped throughout the event, symbolizing the eradication of the patriarchy.
 
"This is a place where women can feel empowered," Smith said. "There aren't many places in the world where women can speak out against those who have oppressed us, beat us and raped us."
 
The name of the event mimics the aggression that men exert, Smith said.
 
"'Slam' is an aggressive word, but slamming is the classic way men respond," she said. "They feel threatened and shape it as hate. It's an aggressive word, but it shouldn't get in the way of our message."
 
...Monologues by members of the FAL poked fun at feminist stereotypes and set the tone of an evening of sarcasm and wit.
 
"Hello, my name is Mary Man-Hating-Is-Fun," one participant said. "I am 23 years old, and I am what a feminist looks like. Ever since I learned to embrace my feminist nature, I found great joy in threatening men's lives, flicking off frat brothers and plotting the patriarchy's death. I hate men because they are men, because I see them for what they are: misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world with war, abuse, oppression and rape."
 
Members of the FAL wore scissors around their necks, as members of the audience lightheartedly sang a song about castration.
 
One woman told tales of five of her friends who have been raped, one, tragically, by a stepfather. Another talked about being ridiculed for her virginity, another of being discriminated against for a lesbian relationship, and another of witnessing her mother's boyfriend sexually abuse her.
 
Others spoke of oppression and sexual assault here on campus. Through passionate and at times tear-choked words, the MUB became a sexist battle zone at lunch hour, and bulletin boards in dorms became canvasses for chauvinistic, offensive graffiti.
 
The issue of men's entitlement to women's bodies for sexual pleasure was raised by one woman. She claimed that she's been told by men that dancing provocatively at clubs is "just asking" for rape.
 
"Why does my dancing have to be about pleasing them? Why can't it just be about me?" she asked.
 
Women's magazines were also targeted as FAL members denounced the sex expert of a popular publication. The experts, they said, encourage women to give in to men's sexual fantasies, even if they don't feel comfortable or even have a medical condition that would make the acts painful.
 
"Thanks for reminding me that the purpose of sex is male pleasure and entitlement!" one FAL member sarcastically exclaimed.
 
"This is what women get for advice when they don't like it or feel uncomfortable or have an illness! This is rape!" Smith stated.
 
The connection between rape and pornography was also explored.
 
Whitney Williams read quotes from pornography sites, one of which described giving women vodka and then having sex with them.
 
"What does it sound like? Rape!" she exclaimed.
 
"We're told porn is sexually arousing to women, but porn looks a lot like rape to us," Smith said. "It's encouraging a rape culture."
 
A skit about a controversial Socratic Society meeting asserted that women who watch pornography are traitors to women.
 
"Women who use porn are being complicit in the oppression of women," one woman said. "They are legitimizing an industry that enslaves women and they are traitors to their gender."
 
But not every woman in the audience agreed.
 
One woman walked onto the stage and nervously stated that she'd been contemplating speaking for a long time. ..."I like porn. And guess what? I've been raped," she said. "I'm not a gender traitor. I take control of my sexuality, and rape isn't always as clearly cut as we think. Some women like sex. You're fighting yourself if you turn on women who like porn."
 
The woman walked out of the room and left a stunned and silent audience behind.
 
A member of the FAL then spoke in rebuttal, stating, "If you like porn, you're ignoring the fact that many women are sexually trafficked into this industry." She continued that 30 percent of all pornography is made against the women's will and that 75 percent of women were raped or sexually abused before they were porn stars.
 
But just as the FAL is infuriated with our society's obsession with pornography, some people, like David Huffman, a contributor for UNH's conservative publication "Common Sense," were offended by the event's messages. Huffman also was the only audience member who was asked to leave during open microphone. The reason: women would feel uncomfortable with him there, members of the FAL said.
 
"It was advertised as a public event, nowhere did the posters say 'Women Only,'" Huffman said. "They excluded me from a public event based upon my gender. There were a few other men there who were allowed to stay, but I was singled out in particular. Excluding one person from a public event is almost impossible to justify unless they are disruptive, which I was not. This is discrimination."
 
"[This] was an evening of man hating. This is no different than any other extremist organization that...promotes stereotypes," Huffman said.
 
He found the subject of castration particularly offensive.
 
"The poems that talked about castrating men were threatening, along with the scissors the girls wore around their necks," he said. "Ms. Smith read a poem where she said that she was proud to hate men. How is this any different than hating African-Americans or Jews?
 
"What I heard last night was not feminism; it was a hate rally," he continued. "I went there with an open mind, thinking the patriarchy was only that group of sexist, chauvinists that discriminate against women. Ms. Smith said that all men are the enemy. This is clear cut sexism and blind hatred."
 
But Rob Wolff, a member of the Men Against Patriarchy, an organization that is considered an ally to the FAL, thinks that the event's messages were justified.
 
"Women have to face threats from men everyday all their lives in subtle and obvious ways," Wolff said. "I hope men are confronted. That's what it's going to take. Events like this are the beginning of a women's revolution."
 
And this women's revolution, he argued, is not initiated by a sexist organization.
 
"That view is fundamentally misguided," Wolff said. "Sexism is a weapon against the chronically disempowered. Men are empowered by society and anyone who claims the FAL is sexist is missing the point."
 
Although Huffman may have been outnumbered at the Patriarchy Slam, he certainly isn't alone on campus: Williams' columns have sparked a flood of angry op-ed responses, showing that the members of the FAL aren't the only ones on campus using words to slam.
 
First published March 25, 2005


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: tristan on September 26, 2007, 08:01:29 AM
Bulgar,

You are an excellent researcher and I appreciate your posts.  The fact that some women are nuts and use feminism as an excuse for man-bashing doesn't change the core definition of feminism as gender equality.

My reason for pointing this out (not only to you but to readers of this topic) is that here at ODR we don't want to fall into the same trap as have kneejerk feminists who claim all men are abusers.  All American women are not crazed man-haters such as the ones in the article you posted above.  Morever, we need women to help us defeat IMBRA and to keep other laws like it from emerging.

We need women like Wendy McElroy and Nicole Constable, both ardent feminists I might add.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: khankrumthebulgar on September 26, 2007, 12:01:01 PM
Wendy McElroy, Cathy Young, Carrie Lukas, Christina Hoff Sommers are either Libertarians or Equity Feminists. Equity Feminism is the belief that both Genders are Equal. That is not what Feminism is today. It has been superseded by Gender Feminism. An all together different animal. Its like comparing a Ferret a member of the Weasel family to a Badger and all together different animal.

The problem with many in the Men's Movement is they fail to really understand who is driving Feminism today. Want a really interesting task. Read Mary Daly's writings. She is considered a Leading Light in the current Gender Feminist Movement. She advocates the reduction through mass extermination of Males. Of Males to 10% of the Female populace for Breeding Stock.

As the recent Duke LaCrosse case points out. Gender Feminists run from a default Program. Men are responsible for all the evils in human history and all  problems today. Tammy Bruce expounds on this in her Books "The New Thought Police" and "The Death Of Right And Wrong". If you want to see how the Feminist Media manipulation works and is being used to influence US Women. Myrna Blyth's book
"Spin Sisters" explains how the Women of the Media Sell Unhappiness and Liberalism to the Women of America. She might have added Feminism as well.

Our paradox is that the Priesthood of Feminism is Leftist Women. The funding comes from Conservatives and US Corporations.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Delphi_Programmer on October 12, 2007, 03:03:41 AM
This is scary stuff!

It reminds me of the Nazi beer hall meetings with Hitler in the early days, with "No Jews Allowed" signs posted outside.

These women are as hateful as Hitler, and as scary.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on October 12, 2007, 04:02:45 AM
[Wendy McElroy, Cathy Young, Carrie Lukas, Christina Hoff Sommers are either Libertarians or Equity Feminists. ]

What are their phone numbers? What are the latter three's email addresses?

And by the way, why do we not have a spreadsheet with US Congress phone numbers and email addresses? Dave sent me a good list of 15 Senator contacts this morning...but we need to get on the ball here and create something that can be given to new members to do their own mass mailings using Easy Mail Merge software or other spam-proof software that sends individual emails on a mass scale.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: VeteransAbroad on October 12, 2007, 05:57:50 AM
And why are members posting about relatively trivial matters when the Senate is about to vote on Monday to give TJC $1Million and other radical feminist groups $430Million via the Commerce Justice & Science Appropriations Act?

Cmon people, get cracking.

At www.veteransabroad.com you can find the Write Congress link on the right hand side.

But do not write. Get on the phone and call the Senate. Concentrate on McConnell, Smith of Oregon, Coleman, Sununu and Hagel.


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: sig44 on March 15, 2009, 11:03:18 AM
don't know if this belongs here, but, just what the witches need. more media BS. http://www.matroesjkas.be/


Title: Re: The Fallacy Of Mail Order Bride Trafficking
Post by: Delphi_Programmer on March 15, 2009, 04:16:27 PM
More radical feminist propaganda designed to brainwash the public about the "pandemic" of global "sex trafficking".

Notice how, like in the Lifetime human trafficking miniseries that inspired IMBRA, none of these scenes have anything to do with people seeking companionship through personals advertising, where they become acquainted as traditional pen-pals and are serious about future marriage and family plans.

Dirty up the image of foreigners "seeking sex", paint it as prostitution, embellish it with images of drunk thugs in smoke-filled bars watching topless dancers, cussing like sailors and propositioning for sex... and then link it to mom-and-pop personals ad columns so governments around the world can take away more of your rights as a law abiding, lonely single adult seeking companionship. 

These artsy-fartsy Hollyweird Leftist types who make these films sure like to attack heterosexual men, especially older ones.  But they're all for the gay agenda and abortion rights.