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International Marriage Broker Act (IMBRA) => IMBRA and Media => Topic started by: tristan on January 26, 2007, 06:38:33 PM



Title: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: tristan on January 26, 2007, 06:38:33 PM
UPDATE: LINK TO BROADCAST TAKEN DOWN THEN PUT BACK UP!

Susie Hodges and editor Charles Collins of Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men who romance foreign women.  Their reports claims that these man subject their wives to "brutal violence", most of whom are "serial rapists".

http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=114630
scroll ahead to minute 17 to hear this feature

Hodges got all of her information from Sen. Sam Brownback, Miller of Tahirih and her sleazy lawyer Ross Goldstein of Arnold and Porter.  She did no fact checking of anything.  Thus, she reports that a number of lawsuits challenged IMBRA (there were two) and that one in Ohio was defeated (it was withdrawn by the plaintiff).  She says that IMBRA was passed with wide bi-partisan support when the law was passed on a voice vote hidden behind another bill and no one knew about the law except for four Congressional sponsors.

She records Miller stating that many of the men who do this are serial rapists, that the law is narrowly tailored and that the women are often tortured, subjected to violent sexual fantasies and murdered.

Goldstein talks about one case where a famous Ukrainian green card shark was brutally raped and strangled (so he claims) and suggesting that this is what happens to many foreign women who marry American men.

I sent Vatican Radio a long letter detailing their horrific (Miller's favorite adjective to describe how we treat our wives) false reporting and I demanded equal time.

Vatican Radio  is a propaganda machine spewing completely false facts and hate against Catholic and other men who seek foreign wives.

NEW UPDATES:  Veteran spoke to reporter Suzie Hodges who hung up the phone on him after insisting that women need more protection.

Editor Charles Collins wrote Dave Root a letter stating that:

"Having taken a close look at the report causing your concern, we have to disagree it was unbalanced."

"...I can assure you that we are certainly not biased in any way."

So Charles Collins thinks that if there are two lawsuits against IMBRA, it is accurate to state that there are "a number of lawsuits".  If one lawsuit was commenced by a group of mom and pop agency owners, Collins thinks it is accurate to state that "a number of lawsuits were commenced by consortiums of industry groups".  Even though there has never been any arrest/conviction or admission by anyone that a single man who married a foreign woman is a serial rapist, Collins thinks it is balanced to report that many men who marry foreign women are "serial rapists".

How do guys like this get to keep their jobs?  Could it be that the entire management of Vatican Radio is corrupt?


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: Scooter on January 26, 2007, 07:21:48 PM
I started listening to the link, and I couldn't finish listening to the report, for fear of losing my dinner. 

I have to agree with you Tristan, that we need equal time to explain our side.  Unfortunately, we shouldn't have to demand getting an opposing point of view.  And, without the disclaimer that the views presented in the report do not represent those of the Catholic Church, or of the station, means that whoever listened to it will think that's the position of Rome: Relations with foreign women are "evil", and subject to censure by the Church.  Of course, out of the roughly 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, only those that from this country will probably look for more information and not believe everything they hear.

Of course what I'd like to know is, what ever happened to good, old-fashioned editorial responsibility?


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 26, 2007, 07:29:03 PM
ADMIN NOTE AND UPDATE: Vatican Radio took the link to the broadcast off their website for a week but put it back up again and VR editor Charles Collins said “we stand by the story” despite its many incorrect facts and completely one-sided reporting including the statement that most men who meet foreign women via internet are "serial rapists".

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I wrote the following when I first heard about the report on Friday and I want to correct what I wrote with new knowledge:

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OK. We know now that Brownback is the main enemy of American males because it was his OPUS DEI connections that got him a Vatican Radio Report.

The TJC did not have this kind of reach.

I was wrong about this. Opus Dei had nothing to do with a young feminist reporter researching "sexual trafficking" and finding the Tahirih Justice Center probably via Google or other search engine.

Susie strongly believes that background checks should have long since been instituted for everyone who uses the Internet to socialize because "You have to look at it from the woman's point of view." Her colleagues, also women, don't necessarily look at things with her point of view themselves, however.

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Note that there is a strong feminist, left-wing element in the Vatican...but this does not include Pope Benedikt or the top German priests.


When I wrote this I was thinking of going up to the local German priest after Mass on Sunday...but then decided that it would be better to call Susie Hodges herself as well as others inside Vatican Radio.

It turns out that most of the young people at Radio Vaticana openly talk about an extreme dislike of feminism. I am encouraged by my discussions with many Vatican Radio personnel that the Vatican is not going downhill in their sense of justice.

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And it makes Brownback the lowest of the low because he would not dare to do a show like that in the USA.

Until Senator Sam Brownback shows the guts to debate this issue with fellow Americans instead of committing treason by slandering his fellow American males to an overseas journalist, nobody should have any respect for him.

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An American audience, except an NPR audience, would see through this and want to know the real story. Notice that IMBRA was not mentioned by name.

Actually, I would never have been able to talk with the managers and other reporters of the New York Times after their editors actually changed Eduardo Porter's anti-IMBRA article into a pro-IMBRA article with selective editing.

The New York Times top management actively tries to destroy fair and balanced reporting.

The Vatican Radio experience, in which they quickly took down a damaging and unfair report, renews my faith in both humanity and the people of Europe. The experience does nothing for my faith in the USA.

Americans who don't know what a passport is, are still in complete ignorance of how traveling Americans are being persecuted by federal laws for activity that is perfectly legal for all other Americans.

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For his own career, Brownback just told European women that American men are mostly criminals except for the ones who stay at home.

It is now all over Google that Brownback committed treason with what he said about American men on Vatican Radio and we still have the transcripts.

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I wrote to Brownback two days ago asking him politely to work on a rewrite of the law and abandon the pro-feminist angle.

But he is not up for reelection so he does not care. His run for the US Presidency is not serious. There must be some financial benefit in pretending to run for President. If so then I want to run for President too.

For journalists, here is Brownback's contact information:

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newmemberbio.cgi?lang=&member=KSSR&site=ctc&address=&city=&state=KS&zipcode=&plusfour=


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 26, 2007, 07:55:14 PM
This whole episode was like in the "Davinci Code" because Brownback is part of Opus Dei now. This man, who wants to take everyone's rights away, only recently became a Catholic however, so why is a venerable organization dealing with a slimy politician with obvious emotional problems...who probably still thinks he can be president.

One columnist recently said that Brownback wants to be VP and then Giuliani and McCain have health problems...and voila: President of the United States of America.

The Vatican seemed to support everything Condi Rice said before the World Cup last summer about Germany being into "sex trafficking" because presumably brothels were not suddenly made illegal. The reports were "all those innocent poor women from Eastern Europe will be dragged into sex slavery to satisfy the ravenous appetite for sex that all the world's men will have when they come to Germany to watch soccer".

Germans were angry at all this nonsense. Then all the German newspapers reported how attendance at the brothels actually went DOWN during the World Cup because the world's men were (gasp) actually interested in soccer.

I confirmed this. For the first time in 10 years I decided to see what the places were like and visited about 5 brothels and saw nothing but older "professionals" that would have to pay me millions to sleep with them.

And they were annoyed that the men were not coming to do business with them.

But the Vatican Radio did not do a follow-up report on the matter.

I asked where all the young slaves were at these places. There weren't any. The new German law also says a woman has to be 21 to work in a brothel. And they have to apply for a business license. It is a very mundane world they live in.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 04:54:10 AM
Here is a sample letter you can write about Brownback. I call this the "Worse than Michael Moore" letter:

Listen to Sam Brownback yesterday on Vatican Radio saying that American businessmen who date foreign women are criminals, rapists and „pursuing their sexual fantasies”.

http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=114636
                                                                                                   
Not even Michael Moore tried to hurt our reputation this badly. When I say “our”, I mean you and me as American males.

This “mail order bride” debate was supposed to stay at home between Americans. But now Brownback wants to advertise to foreign women not to go on the Internet to meet Americans.

Do you agree with that?

Note some points:

 
1)      Every word in this report is a victim feminist lie. There is no evidence that American men who date foreign women via the Internet are more violent than the domestic population and in fact the evidence contradicts this theory. There were 3 “mail order bride” murders in 20 years against 10,000 American bride murders.

2)      One of the two lawsuits against the IMBRA law was not “defeated”. It was dropped in order to consolidate and stop a feminist maneuver. See www.online-dating-rights.com.

3)      The report is totally one sided. They never interviewed a dating agency or customer. I would have proudly gone on the radio as a customer.

4)      For your show, we have plenty of men who will tell them what they feel about Brownback’s slander of American businessmen overseas.



Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 04:57:09 AM
Because Brownback's tenure is until 2010 otherwise, you may want to ally with some of these people on www.FreeRepublic.com who publicly show their email addresses.

Check that website for Brownback news often.

If the core Conservatives hate him in Kansas, they can try to get him impeached...just for being a slimy guy, not that they care about foreigners themselves.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 05:01:48 AM
Here is an excerpt from www.freerepublic.com from today:

A topic about Brownback's "conservative credentials":


[Putz`s everywhere are upset with the comparison to the Backstabber Brownback.

8 posted on 01/25/2007 10:08:27 AM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: Plutarch
Better to take the RINOs down now before they have a chance to win the primaries (and then go on to lose the general election)



9 posted on 01/25/2007 10:10:30 AM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be plucking feathers and boiling tar.)
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LOL...you have coined a new term...'Backstabber Brownback'. I like that!!

10 posted on 01/25/2007 10:10:42 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: Plutarch
Pot, meet Kettle. Brownback's hopping on the Hellery Train to appeasement this week doesn't sound very conservative to me.

Yup. Brownback appears to have bought the Washington Post line that the evangelicals are "easily led". All he has to be is loudly Pro-Life, and everyone will support him, with no one to notice his betrayal on the WOT, and his Amnesty vote.


22 posted on 01/25/2007 4:52:00 PM PST by Plutarch

Veteran back: Remember that FReepers include a lot of military guys and are with our cause except for the owner of FR, Jim Robinson, who has a pro-IMBRA girlfriend apparently.  Someone should post the Vatican Radio report there with the letter I wwrote above. It has to be done properly like other posts, linking to the report properly, and in no way should the new member ever say anything against the Iraq War because these guys have a sensitive streak about that which you do not want to get into if you want your post to stay undeleted.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 05:18:04 AM
This is what core Republicans thought when Brownback announced he was running for pres last week:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1772547/posts

Here is one Conservative Gadfly posting:

"
Yadda yadda yadda. He did a smart thing by snuggling up close to conservative leaders by heading up the VAT team meetings in the Senate and THAT is why you are hearing about him at all. But I am telling you, he is a disaster...a disaster -- and it is on more than issues about feds interfering with churches.

And yes, with close family serving on the front lines in Iraq, you bet I have a problem with a "Republican" not only undercutting our Commander in Chief in his efforts on the War on Terror, but also putting our soldiers at tremendous risk with his foolish statements.

I do not believe for one minute he is the best we are going to get and frankly I am damned sick and tired of holding my nose and voting because it is "the best we are going to get." I just don't believe that.

He is not a conservative and I am worn out with people posing as conservatives who clearly, demonstrably are not --but pretend to be for political advantage."

Here is another posting:

"That's because the media wants the 2008 Republican candidate to be moderate or liberal so our party is divided. That's why they are always pushing for McCain and Giuliani.

Duncan Hunter:

http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Duncan_Hunter.htm

Tom Tancredo:

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Tom_Tancredo.htm

Also, Mitt Romney is a liar and a phoney. He's not a real conservative."

Veteran back: They like Tancredo





Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 05:34:47 AM
Here is what he has to say about himself on his website:

About Sam 
 
Sam Brownback has spent his life in the service of others. He was born in Parker, Kansas and raised on a farm where his mother and father still live. He was a leader in high school, in Future Farmers of America as state president, as student body president at Kansas State University and president of his class at University of Kansas Law School.

Sam served as a White House Fellow in the first Bush Administration and was the youngest Secretary of Agriculture in Kansas history. When he was 38, he was elected to the House of Representatives with the Republican Revolution in 1994. In 1996, he was elected to the U.S. Senate seat held by Bob Dole.

In the U.S. Senate, Sam serves on the Appropriations: < http://appropriations.senate.gov/> , Judiciary : <http://judiciary.senate.gov/> , and Joint Economic Committees. He is the Ranking Member on the Joint Economic Committee, the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Subcommittee, as well as the subcommittee responsible for the Constitution. He also serves in the Helsinki Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, co-chairs the Senate Cancer Coalition and the Human Rights Caucus, chairs the Senate Values Action Team, and is a founding member of the Senate Fiscal Watch Team.

Sam has earned a well-deserved reputation for expertise and genuine concern in a wide range of issue areas. He is currently focused on defending and promoting traditional marriage, building market- and consumer-based solutions to health care reform, and meaningful tax reform including an optional flat tax. He has worked hard to ensure that we confirm judges who will interpret the law and not legislate from the bench, to create a BRAC-like commission to review and terminate failed or completed federal programs, to protect and renew our American culture, and to defend human life. He is actively engaged in re-opening the U.S. beef trade in Asia, stopping genocide in Darfur, incentivizing drug companies to find cures to neglected diseases throughout the world, and spreading democracy and human rights in Iran and North Korea.

His colleagues say he is one of the most sincere people in Congress, and even those who don't agree with him never doubt his conviction and appreciate the respectful way he debates even the most contentious of issues. The compassion with which he approaches the full range of issues is exactly what we need in our leaders.

The Economist called Sam "The Wilberforce Republican." And the New York Times declared that he is "one of the most conservative, religious, fascinating -- and, in many ways, admirable -- politicians in America today."

Over the years, Sam has been a radio broadcaster, attorney, teacher, administrator, congressman and senator. Senator Brownback and his wife Mary have five children.
 
Veteran back: And his wife is beautiful. He has two adult daughters who are also attractive. Kansas just sounds like an insular place where they just don't understand foreign countries. On the foreign dating issue, the wife and daughters probably don't realize they are "feminists" (I have to assume that they are 100% behind him on that being the one issue he would take advice from them on). They would probably prefer to think that men who don't want to stay in Kansas and date beautiful Christians like them...must be evil.

It is more a commentary on Kansas, because what they think is evil in the context it takes people's rights away.

First they get the idea that we are a priori criminals...then we have less rights than they have.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 06:03:34 AM
Here is another reason why conservatives hate him:

http://www.vdare.com/allen/brownback.htm

He wants tons of refugees to come to America...but he doesn't want any of them to admire or marry American men before or after they enter the country.

At least conservatives are calling him "insane". If the liberals don't roast him it is only because they know he will cause so much damage to the Republican Party.

I realize now that I saw Brownback-type people in operation in Sacramento in 2004: more than 6,000 new Evangelical Christians from the Ukraine were given free citizenship in the USA if they could prove to be brainwashed and in contempt of men. There is a huge church on Jackson Avenue south of Sacramento with the most beautiful Ukrainians you will ever see...but their personalities are the opposite of Russian Orthodox Ukrainians, in that they are anti-male like any feminist in San Francisco would be, especially those in their twenties who have been raised in the US victim feminist society for the past ten years since they immigrated (the evangelical church is largely victim feminist = "Don't date or kiss a man before marriage").

The mentality of a man like Brownback is that all males are evil except him, which means that women should not be contacted by any man except him. He is surrounded by women in his family and he mentally projects his image as the protector (alpha male) of these women onto all women around the world.

It is kind of like in that Woody Allen movie where Woody's character had put every man to death who was taller than 5'5"...except Brownback isn't funny.

To get an idea on why the Vatican allowed Brownback to pull his one-sided slander of American males who travel overseas, check the book "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" which has been the rage in Christian churches for the past 10 years despite the fact that it was written by an immature 21 year old man.

http://www.amazon.com/Kissed-Dating-Goodbye-Joshua-Harris/dp/1590521358/sr=8-1/qid=1169903510/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9703052-5689245?ie=UTF8&s=books

Here is one smart man's comments on the book at Amazon:

"I saw the fruits of this book before I read it, and sadly they were mostly negative, despite the potential of the book's intended message. Its wild popularity is one reason why I no longer attend an evangelical church. For instance, new converts often own 3 copies of Harris' book and can spread the anti-dating gospel, but know nothing about the trinity, the Sacraments, or social justice matters. Men sit worried while their girlfriends are on a retreat because the leaders there are giving a "dating talk," which will likely pressure their girlfriends to go into confusion about their otherwise healthy relationship. Men go to the movies with a girl; they pay, they buy dinner, and then call it every term under the sun but "date" to avoid committing the perceived ultimate sin."


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 06:47:55 AM
In short, the greatest cut of all, and the reason why Brownback has allied with the left wing feminists, is because he wants to condemn heterosexual males who date foreigners because, to him, "they are acting out their sexual fantasies".


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 27, 2007, 11:56:26 AM
Notice how Brownback is not going after the pornography websites and the escort services websites.

He is a coward and knows that millions of men and the courts and the Free Speech Coalition would all be ready to defend that.

The 9th Circuit would definitely hold up the right of pornographers to put the most vile websites online...but the 9th Circuit would be the last place to seek rights for men to chat with women...

Wait a minute! There are tons of international websites where men do sex chat with women. Is not that dangerous?

Don't they fall under the name "Marriage Broker"?

The 9th Circuit would defend the right to sex chat with women on sex chat lines because the women are "safe" from the men (not near them).

Our sick feminist society wants men doing sex chat on the other end of a telephone line so the woman will not be endangered.

So it is OK then right Sammy Boy Brownback?

You have to repeat left wing theories about men being a priori abusers who date foreign women to fulfill their sexual and control fantasies?

Something tells me that the fixations Brownback showed when he committed treason yesterday on Vatican Radio...were his own fantasies...


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 28, 2007, 04:05:23 AM
Here is the full transcript of the outrageous Vatican Radio Report that should get Susie Hodges fired.

Does anyone know the email address for the Pope or someone in the Vatican who is NOT a feminist radical who is anti-family?

All conservative European men should know that YOU are NEXT if you allow radical feminists to condemn American businessmen like this, simply because they are jealous that (in their perception) the men don't want them back in the USA.


“Mail Order Bride Nightmares” Vatican Radio, Jan. 27, 2007
An unidentified moderator begins the program…
“They’re single women mostly young to middle aged looking for love or simply for a better life in another country. Sometimes in response to a newspaper ad or by surfing the internet they can find what they are looking for. But sometimes they can end up living a nightmare.
Since 2005 though, new legislation in the United States has aimed to curb the abuse of foreign women- so called mail order brides who could end up marrying an American man with a criminal record and a penchant for violence. The International Marriage Broker Regulation Act requires dating agencies to provide information to foreign women about their legal right and about the criminal backgrounds of their perspective American husbands. The 2005 Act was passed with wide bi-partisan support after growing evidence that many foreign women were being brutally abused, exploited and in a number of cases even murdered by their American husbands. In most cases the women were not warned beforehand by the agencies of the men’s sometimes violent background. But the Act has been challenged in a number of lawsuits mounted by consortiums of International Marriage Brokers in separate US States. One such law suit was recently defeated in Ohio. Susie Hodges (Not sure of spelling of her name) has been looking into the problems connected with the mail order bride industry. She filed this report.
( Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “Women from every corner of the globe are marketed on International Marriage Broker websites. But how many of these mail order brides end up as battered brides?. Evidence suggests that up to now many women far from finding the husband of their dreams end up in a nightmare situation. Critics of the Mail Order Bride business say the marketing practices of the marriage broker agencies attract predatory abusers with a history of violence against women and children.
Layli Miller-Muro is director of the Tahirih Justice Center in Virginia that provides free legal services to immigrant women suffering abuse such as the mail order brides. She says the defeat of this law suit challenging the 2005 Act sends an important message to the International Marriage Broker agencies”.
(Layli Miller -Muro, Director of Tahirih Justice Center)… “The dismissal of the law suit that was brought in Ohio against the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act sends an important signal to others who might challenge the legislation that there really is no legitimate basis for challenging its constitutionality. It’s a law that was very narrowly tailored to apply to helping women coming from- some people call Mail Order
Bride Agencies- to provide them very helpful and important information and life saving protections that really benefits all of us”.
(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “Layli said all too often the agencies are well aware that their male clients include serial rapists and predatory abusers. But the women were not being told about the men’s violent past. As a result some of the mail order brides paid a heavy price.”
(Layli Miller- Muro)… “The Tahirih Justice Center has seen a wide range of horrific abuses by men who met foreign women through International Marriage Brokers. We have seen women abused- literally tortured- subjected to all kinds of violent sexual fantasies that the men seem to be playing out with these women…umm…as they may have had through the internet and in some of the worst cases women have been murdered…..There have been several high profile cases of women murdered in the United States through these agencies.. One in particular… it was a very horrific I think… recently there was a women from Eastern Europe who was stabbed in the parking lot of the day care center in front of her son by a man who had been very abusive to her who she was trying to leave. But she is just one example”.
Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)…“Ross Goldstein is an associate Attorney with the law firm of Arnold and Porter that handled the Ohio litigation and has worked on several cases involving the abuse of mail order brides. He told me about one example where the mail order bride agency in question not only didn’t warn female client about the violent past of a violent perspective American husband but even told outright lies about.. Credentials“.
(Ross Goldstein, Lawyer who works closely with Tahirih Justice Ctr)… “The case we were most involved with was a case we recently tried to a jury trial in Baltimore that involved a young woman from the Ukraine who came here… was through a mail order bride company… was told that the husband that she was going to be marrying was the ‘best of the best’- he’s the best man she was told. What they didn’t tell her was that in fact he had brutally raped and abused his prior wife…had brutally strangled and nearly killed his former fiancée….and this is the best of the best they were setting her up with. Of course she came here and she was not any different and was subjected to severe abuse by him and …uh…we successfully… in what was the first law suit of its kind brought suit against the mail order bride company itself for fraud and deceptive trade practices and breach of fiduciary duty….and..uh… were successful in obtaining a jury verdict that was upheld by the appeals court for nearly half a million dollars.”
(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)…
“Senator Sam Brownback is a United States Catholic Senator who was a leading sponsor of the 2005 Act to help clean up the mail order bride business. He says the marriage broker agencies often encourage a perception among their male clients that they are purchasing a bride and that this can be a recipe for disaster”.
(Senator Sam Brownback, Primary sponsor of the 2005 Act)… “These mail order bride businesses are almost like a catalog type of business where you …uh….connect people and it’s a catalog type of form...there’s not the personal relationship, there’s not the family relationship that’s involved with it… and it just becomes or is too ripe? or one sided of a relationship to the point it can become a very abusive one rather easily and quickly”.
(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)…“The Senator views are echoed by Ross (Goldstein) who says the scales of these marriage broker agencies are tipped far too heavily in favor in the favor of the paying male client who often treat their women as their chattels”.
(Ross Goldstein, )… “ The problem with the industry are problems with the nature of the industry itself… I mean look the problem is the industry is trading on a power imbalance between the American typically male who has money and the sophistication… and a woman from a underdeveloped country whose presence in the United States and who is trying to escape usually dire economic circumstances. She comes to this country not familiar with the language, laws or customs of the United States… and her presence in the United States because US Immigration law is entirely dependent upon the American spouse who is frequently her abuser…. She really has no where to go so the problem with the industry is that it trades on this whole power imbalance. They treat the women as the chattel as the goods being sold to the American male. They market these women as ways of being submissive and different from the American females. This is their marketing techniques that suggest that these women are more docile more submissive than they would find in the States...so the whole atmosphere is just a recipe for abuse.”
(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “But why do some of the mail order bride companies appear so reluctant to follow a law whose aim is to try and eliminate the frequent cases of abuse that were occurring.. Layli says this is where seen they are putting profits before ethics.”
(Layli Miller -Muro)…“Well the agencies are reluctant for a very interesting reason. One would think that in fact protecting women providing them information would be in their best interests. The reality however is that their business model depends on the men paying them. The women don’t pay so the women are the product. The men are their own clients. They pay a great deal of money and the industry’s resistance to this law sends a signal that they’re actually trying to protect a clientele that may most affected by this law, particularly criminals, violent men. Men who are not otherwise able to use traditional dating services or find women in the traditional way…. And so one has to kind of raise an eyebrow to the fact that they are ….. (word not understood) very innocent legislation designed simply to protect women and provide information to them.
I think we do have to wonder who they are trying to protect and how they are making money”.
(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “Legal experts like Ross say the abuse suffered by mail order brides is but one offshoot of the very wide spread but under reported crime of domestic violence. A problem that in the majority of cases stays hidden behind the full walls of the home.”
(Ross Goldstein)… “Domestic violence in general is widely regarded as one of the most under reported crimes. I think there’s a study done by the Federal government here in the United States within the last 10 years that shows it was reported only about 20 to 25 % of the time. And we have every reason to believe that with an immigrant population that’s unfamiliar with the laws, language and customs of their new country and for those women who come from cultures that are inherently distrustful of the police that the actual reporting level of these incidences would be much lower”.
(Commentator) … “That was lawyer Ross Goldstein and you also have heard from Senator Brownback and Layli Miller- Muro. And I’m Susie Hodges“.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 29, 2007, 09:41:16 AM
I just spoke with Susie Hodges' office at the Vatican.

I also spoke with the German section and a man there said that many men who work at Radio Vaticana are married to Eastern European women.

We may be able to have a rebuttal broadcast. Hold on.

If the TJC thinks the European journalists are as fascist as the American journalists, and will do anything they say like the New York Times did, they do not understand why I moved here.

The intellectual air is more fresh in Europe.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on January 31, 2007, 04:48:16 AM
Vatican Radio has removed the one-sided broadcast.

I think Europeans collectively remember the days when German women went on the radio to say Jewish men had raped them. The stories the women told were true back then. They could be documented. But they were not statistically relevant and should not have been used, as they actually were, to justify the regulation of the social lives of Jewish men as early as 1933.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 03, 2007, 05:31:21 AM
Vatican Radio's Dr. Sean Patrick Lovett is the man to speak with about the fact that the original one-sided broadcast has gone back up.

I was really stupid not trying too hard to confirm with him that the action of taking it down this week.

The number is 011 390669884-837 and, yes, you dial the zero.

What clearly happened is that someone convinced him that we were just a fringe group with no political power. They like to say that we are 5 people.



Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 03, 2007, 09:26:28 AM
Dear Dr. Sean Patrick Lovett,

By now you are aware of the controversy regarding Ms. Hodges’ foreign dating site report entitled “Mail Order Nightmares” in which Susie did not read the IMBRA law and, thus, described it only in the manner that a radical feminist organization wanted her to describe it. The law is at www.veteransabroad.com/IMBRA2005.pdf and the US government reports that prove that the law was not necessary can be read here http://www.online-dating-rights.com/forum/index.php?topic=685.0 and the evidence that the Georgia court will soon overthrow IMBRA is at this link www.veteransabroad.com/TRO.pdf.

There was a good reason why Catherine helped influence that you take the one-sided, slanderous report down for 3 days. I will show below how Susie actually added more dishonest statements to the broadcast than the Tahirih Justice Center and Senator Brownback would dare to (because of libel issues). Susie committed more libel than they did.

And yet the report mysteriously went back up on Friday. If US Senator Brownback called you to ask you not to allow an opposing viewpoint, this is major news in itself that the US media will want to report on. Please note sir that no American media outlet has ever gone so far as Susie’s report: Most media in the USA are waiting for the court decision on IMBRA. I somebody called you and said that the American men who complained were just 3 or 4 guys on a website, that is a tactic that is far from the truth as I will show. But to start, simple facts and logic should be more important than proof that this is a major political issue in the United States:

Susie’s report, and her attitude on the telephone that background checks for online dating are long overdue, could not happen even in the USA where feminists hate the idea of men finding non-feminists in other countries. Susie’s report was not journalism, it was propaganda, and please do not circle the wagons for her. I can ask people to take down specific criticism of her journalistic abilities (such as fact checking and talking to the opposing side – in this case the people in the EC Lawsuit against IMBRA who will probably win any day now).

Lots of dating agencies even do background checks on men…but the problem with IMBRA is that it does not allow contact of any kind, including sending the man’s photograph and evidence that he is intelligent and smart and interesting, before the woman has to specifically go through a process that may take days or weeks to provide the agency with evidence in writing that she did approve that the man could say hello and describe himself.

Please understand, sir, that a US Federal Court is expected to strike down the slanderous IMBRA law any day now.

Most US media are waiting for the decision. Susie’s propaganda could wait a week or two as well could it not?

If you are against feminism, and accept that feminism is often geographic and culture-based, then it is illogical to accept the argument that looking for non-feminists is a bad thing.

1) It is illogical to accept the idea that men who are anti-feminist are somehow violent.

2) It is illogical to accept the idea that the top 2% of these men who have the financial ability to travel are more violent

3) It is illogical to be anti-feminist and believe that the only issue is abortion when that is a red-herring for the feminists: Feminism is defined as the desire to create a culture where women are victims of abusive men.

Here is the only US government study that has been done on the matter. All the feminist rhetoric cannot ignore the statistics and this is why we will win the court case:

 


It is a very serious issue if the Vatican talks about being against feminism and then broadcasts the most radical feminist slander against American men in history despite direct evidence that the Tahirih Justice Center is not telling the truth.

Susie said “but this is Bipartisan”. NO SIR. Brownback is an aberration in politics. He is disliked by conservatives for a variety of reasons, mostly being that, despite his pro-life stance, every other stance is pro-feminist or left wing. He tricked his colleagues into voting for IMBRA because it was stuck in the back of the VAWA which was subject to a forced vote at the last second while attached to the FBI Budget Reauthorization Act. Hardly any US politician knows about IMBRA and/or they are waiting for the court decision.

Of the American men who sometimes date an East European woman via a dating site, approximately 23% are Catholic according to the 1999 INS Report that also showed that men who marry these women tend to have a domestic abuse rate of 1% compared to the American domestic average of 7%. This is logical, because the same report, and other reports, show that the men who use marriage oriented dating sites tend to be upper middle class and high income earners. The fact that many say they have no interest in marrying radical feminists should, rightfully, not cause any good Catholic to look askance at their motivations.

I would like for you to know that the solution to this problem is at hand and will probably be decided by a Georgia court momentarily: Background checks on Americans will probably be OK at the moment when a foreigner applies for a fiancé or marriage visa to that American…but background checks for simple contact, to say “hello”, will be declared unconstitutional.

If you choose to do a new report, we would like very much if you could include the opinion of an American single male opposed to the IMBRA law and to the continued US government funding of the Tahirih Justice Center, which promotes a radical feminist Bahai-faith world-view while only running a shelter for women as a means of gathering anecdotal ammunition for ideological battle against the men and women who disagree with them. We, of course, would love for you to interview the owner of a marriage-oriented dating agency as well to see the difference between these good institutions and the casual dating agencies so prevalent in the west or the escort services (sex tourism services) that are a completely separate industry.

Please keep in mind that, to properly cover this subject, one would have to do a one hour segment or at least a half hour segment. It would not be a problem for me to come to Rome because my human rights and the rights of East European women to decide their own level of security would be worth the effort.

To make the show relevant to women’s rights, I would like to get across the following:

Women should not lose the right to decide their own level of security. If a woman wants the world to know one of 3 hotmail.com addresses she just created 5 minutes ago, the US government should not be allowed to make it illegal to abide by her wishes especially because there is a 0% probability of any danger resulting from anyone knowing one of anonymous email addresses.

Feminists believe that a woman with a dozen email addresses might still be upset or bothered by a bad man writing an email to one of those.

Furthermore, if one reviews behind the scenes of US politics, there is every reason to believe that the slandering of men who date abroad is motivated by a fear of social globalization where the older radical feminists are furious at the idea that they will be left unmarried and alone. I do not blame them for being worried but this does not give them the right to broadcast slander on Vatican Radio and dishonestly push through laws “to protect women” based on having fraudulently presented anecdotes as evidence of a problem that statistically is not a problem.

How can “victim feminists” be considered credible judges of the character of a subgroup of others who are openly opposed to them ideologically?

Therefore, please note that any mention of a particular act of abuse against a foreign woman met over the Internet should rightfully to be shown in perspective to a much higher rate of abuse in the general population of the United States. There were 3 murders of foreign brides in the USA over 20 years who had met their white husbands via an agency, compared to some 10,000 murders of American domestic brides in the same time period. Yet the Wikipedia description for the racist term “mail order bride” unfairly lists just those 3 murders.

And it is this unfair focus that actually defines what “radical feminism” is to many men. The issue of dishonest reporting of abuse can split conservatives in half and could have been responsible for sweeping the Republicans out of power in November 2006. Please go to www.mediaradar.org to see more on this.

It just becomes sensationalism to use out-of-context anecdotes to slander the good name, not only of a supposedly identifiable subgroup, but of all American and indeed western men who decide at any point in their lives to make contact with a woman from a country less financially rich (but possibly more spiritually rich) than his own.

The motivations of radical feminist organizations like Tahirih, however, can easily be questioned:

Let me directly discuss Susie’s report:

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“Mail Order Bride Nightmares” Vatican Radio, Jan. 27, 2007
An unidentified moderator begins the program…
“They’re single women mostly young to middle aged looking for love or simply for a better life in another country. Sometimes in response to a newspaper ad or by surfing the internet they can find what they are looking for. But sometimes they can end up living a nightmare.
Since 2005 though, new legislation in the United States has aimed to curb the abuse of foreign women- so called mail order brides who could end up marrying an American man with a criminal record and a penchant for violence.


The US domestic violence rate is 7% while the abuse rate of foreign brides met over the Internet is 1%.

I can link to proof of this; if you show me that this matters (the Jesuits may just want to ignore the statistics).

Please note that we are entering feminist territory when we discuss “the abuse industry” where billions can be earned by “shelters” in Washington DC who milk the government because everyone wants to “save women”. Please look at www.mediaradar.org to see that this is major political movement.

Also please note that the RADAR organization got Kofi Annan’s “United Nations Report on Violence Against Women” successfully snubbed:

http://www.mediaradar.org/un_violence_report.php

Is your office in tune with the feminists at the United Nations? Even if it is, IMBRA and the regulation of the Internet is a topic to be debated, not to be a platform for the Vatican to help an erratic US Senator Brownback simply because Brownback is pro-life.
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“The International Marriage Broker Regulation Act requires dating agencies to provide information to foreign women about their legal right and about the criminal backgrounds of their perspective American husbands.”

This is not true Dr. Lovett, but the exact sentence is from the website of the radically feminist Tahirih.org website. Susie was lazy and just took their exact definition without doing research. Not even a left wing feminist American journalist will lie like that.

 IMBRA requires background checks for any American to even say “hello” to another individual where there is a 99% chance they will never get married.

There is, in fact, a 90% chance that two people who contact each other over the Internet will never meet each other.

Susie simply did not do research on this. She did not read the law at www.veteransabroad.com/IMBRA2005.pdf

 

There is nothing in the law that cares about the fact that 99% of people who say hello to each other do not get married. The court has shown that it will probably overturn IMBRA for this very reason.

If you want to say hello to a Polish woman online, you cannot let the Nazis tell you that you are a “potential husband” requiring a background check. This is insane.

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“The 2005 Act was passed with wide bi-partisan support after growing evidence that many foreign women were being brutally abused, exploited and in a number of cases even murdered by their American husbands.”

This, Dr. Lovett, is the most damning evidence that Susie just copied text word-for-word from the Tahirih website. She did not even digest the issue much less make phone calls.

There IS NO growing evidence, and the courts have already noted this. Please read www.veteransabroad.com/TRO.PDF to see the opinion of the judge who will probably overturn this soon. About the 3 murders: In the past 20 years, three foreign brides who met their US husbands on the Internet were killed. In the same time period, more than 10,000 American women were killed.

No American radio station or newspaper would say this with a straight face.

In most cases the women were not warned beforehand by the agencies of the men’s sometimes violent background.

In two of the three cases, there was nothing to warn about. All three women showed direct evidence that they had defrauded the man into thinking she loved him in order to get into the USA. They did not deserve to die for this, nor did the 10,000 women who died violently in the same time period.

Plus, the Vatican (Jesuits) cannot be serious about establishing a policy that Internet websites are responsible for what happens when people meet each other.

That is a major political issue.

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“But the Act has been challenged in a number of lawsuits mounted by consortiums of International Marriage Brokers in separate US States. One such law suit was recently defeated in Ohio. Susie Hodges (Not sure of spelling of her name) has been looking into the problems connected with the mail order bride industry. She filed this report”

Susie copied and pasted text from a feminist website and then she said “Susie Hodges filed this report”.

There were two lawsuits and, because we are about to win the one in Georgia, the one in Ohio was let go strategically. We were not defeated. In fact, the Tahirh Justice Center defeated itself by stupidly allowing the Ohio lawsuit to be dropped. They show evidence of this in a brief they filed just yesterday.

Now it is also true that the Ohio lawsuit had a judge who was deranged like Brownback. He said “The Supreme Court has never held that there is a fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner”.

Do you agree with this? Please read his “denial of TRO” to see why we decided that this lawsuit was unnecessary especially with this judge:

www.veteransabroad.com/denied.pdf

Note how even this judge admits that there is no evidence to back up the theory that men who date foreigners are abusive or controlling. This judge shows that he simply wants the government to be able to regulate people’s lives if it wants to because there is “no fundamental liberty interest” in people meeting each other.

Note that the US Constitution has a Right to Assembly that is being ignored.
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( Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “Women from every corner of the globe are marketed on International Marriage Broker websites.


Match.com and other dating sites around the world would not refer to the business of matchmaking as “marketing women”. This broadcast needs to be redone.

But how many of these mail order brides end up as battered brides?. Evidence suggests that up to now many women far from finding the husband of their dreams end up in a nightmare situation. Critics of the Mail Order Bride business say the marketing practices of the marriage broker agencies attract predatory abusers with a history of violence against women and children.

This is radical feminist theory but worse: Susie Hodges is using an epithet to degrade foreign women: especially Russian and Polish women.

I spoke with Susie and she honestly believes that English women and American women should be telling these foreign women how to think. So, for her, the derogatory and racist term “mail order bride” just rolls off the tongue.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 03, 2007, 09:40:51 AM
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Layli Miller-Muro is director of the Tahirih Justice Center in Virginia that provides free legal services to immigrant women suffering abuse such as the mail order brides. She says the defeat of this law suit challenging the 2005 Act sends an important message to the International Marriage Broker agencies”.

It is the modus operandi of radical feminists to corner the market on "women's shelters."

There was no defeat in Ohio and the defeat of the Tahirih Justice Center in Georgia will send an important message to all radical feminists: stop slandering American men.

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(Layli Miller -Muro, Director of Tahirih Justice Center)… “The dismissal of the law suit that was brought in Ohio against the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act sends an important signal to others who might challenge the legislation that there really is no legitimate basis for challenging its constitutionality.

How about the "Right to Assemble" and "Right to Free Speech"?

Any real defeat of such a lawsuit would only make me launch my own lawsuit along with a dozen other American men.

 It would cause financial coffers to open to finally start pushing back feminism.

You have to understand, Dr. Lovett, that IMBRA and the feminism behind it will not be allowed to stand. And this is all on principle anyway, because not all websites are American and I can meet a foreign women on thousands of non-American websites including the big websites like Match.com which bought itself an exemption from the corrupt Brownback et al.

What is interesting is that Layli Miller-Muro did not go as far as Susie in being dishonest about what happened to the lawsuit.

Note that Layli Miller-Muro says the lawsuit was “dismissed”. Susie either did not know the big difference between “dismissed” and “defeated” or she felt there was no liability for her as a Vatican journalist so she did not care to check the facts that, in this case, were right before her.

Miller-Muro did not say that the Plaintiffs withdrew the Ohio case because it was not necessary. Nor did she say that it was a defeat for the Tahirih Justice Center that a court case was dismissed where they were otherwise going to win (but lose later in Appeal anyway).

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It’s a law that was very narrowly tailored to apply to helping women coming from- some people call Mail Order Bride Agencies- to provide them very helpful and important information and life saving protections that really benefits all of us”.

To see that a US federal judge does not think the law is narrowly tailored at all, please read www.veteransabroad.com/TRO.pdf.

The courts may allow background checks at the marriage visa process level, but not at the part where men and women meet each other to say “hello”.

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(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “Layli said all too often the agencies are well aware that their male clients include serial rapists and predatory abusers. But the women were not being told about the men’s violent past. As a result some of the mail order brides paid a heavy price.”

 

Not only is this never true (did Susie get evidence of this?), I have the inside story on the Encounters Case at www.veteransabroad.com/encounters.htm

 

Lots of dating agencies even do background checks on men…but the problem with IMBRA is that it does not allow contact of any kind, including sending the man’s photograph and evidence that he is intelligent and smart and interesting, before the woman has to specifically go through a process that may take days or weeks to provide the agency with evidence in writing that she did approve that the man could say hello and describe himself.

The IMBRA law is designed to destroy the online dating industry and stop people from meeting each other with the help of others.

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(Layli Miller- Muro)… “The Tahirih Justice Center has seen a wide range of horrific abuses by men who met foreign women through International Marriage Brokers.


The TJC, as radical fem organizations are prone to do, will gather anecdotal, but statistically irrelevant evidence to get laws passed that severely regulate men and women.

First of all, it took the TJC four years to learn how best to describe “international matchmakers” in the most “horrific” light possible. So they finally learned that the word “Broker” conjured up images of slavery. The fact that 2 out of 400 such dating sites also marketed themselves as “brokers” allowed the TJC to call all 400 “brokers”.

Secondly, it takes someone with at least a subconscious hatred of marriage to respond emotionally against the idea of a “marriage agency”.

Thirdly, 95% of these websites do not say they are marriage-agencies at all. They introduce people for social purposes. 

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We have seen women abused- literally tortured- subjected to all kinds of violent sexual fantasies that the men seem to be playing out with these women…umm…as they may have had through the internet and in some of the worst cases women have been murdered…..There have been several high profile cases of women murdered in the United States through these agencies.. One in particular… it was a very horrific I think… recently there was a women from Eastern Europe who was stabbed in the parking lot of the day care center in front of her son by a man who had been very abusive to her who she was trying to leave. But she is just one example”.

 

Dr. Lovett: They put stuff like the above on German radio in the early 1930s talking about Jewish men.

 

Then laws were passed against Jewish men socializing with “German women”. Do you see where this is going?

 

Then German women, who had a lot of influence with Goebbels and Hitler (sexual favors) made sure that a law was passed providing the death penalty to any German man who has sexual relations with a “Slavic Woman.”


Europe has been through this before.

 

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Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)…“Ross Goldstein is an associate Attorney with the law firm of Arnold and Porter that handled the Ohio litigation and has worked on several cases involving the abuse of mail order brides. He told me about one example where the mail order bride agency in question not only didn’t warn female client about the violent past of a violent perspective American husband but even told outright lies about.. Credentials“.

 

Firstly, Arnold & Porter is on record saying they want to make millions by suing all dating websites, especially the ones with money in the USA.

 

Secondly, he is talking about the Encounters Case where the dating site owner knew nothing about any man’s past. And the government must not, in the future, get involved in enforcing background checks for people to meet each other because that is fascist

 

Do we need to discuss how the Nazi Germans used the courts to backup everything as “protection of women and children?”.



Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 03, 2007, 09:48:18 AM
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(Ross Goldstein, Lawyer who works closely with Tahirih Justice Ctr)… “The case we were most involved with was a case we recently tried to a jury trial in Baltimore that involved a young woman from the Ukraine who came here… was through a mail order bride company… was told that the husband that she was going to be marrying was the ‘best of the best’- he’s the best man she was told. What they didn’t tell her was that in fact he had brutally raped and abused his prior wife…had brutally strangled and nearly killed his former fiancée….and this is the best of the best they were setting her up with. Of course she came here and she was not any different and was subjected to severe abuse by him and …uh…we successfully… in what was the first law suit of its kind brought suit against the mail order bride company itself for fraud and deceptive trade practices and breach of fiduciary duty….and..uh… were successful in obtaining a jury verdict that was upheld by the appeals court for nearly half a million dollars.”

 

Good journalists should research the Encounters Case which was first thrown out by a judge as ridiculous but then that judge was replaced.

How do judges just get replaced like that in the USA?

A European journalist should ask why the judges got switched like in the Saddam trial.

First of all, the Appeals Court decision remains unpublished for a good reason.

Susie had no reason to submit this report without first speaking with James Fox who was the man described above.

James Fox settled for a small amount of money compared to what he was worth in order not to have the personal hassle on his life. 

Please read www.veteransabroad.com/encouters.htm to get some background and aask for more information please.

Also, you know that these Arnold & Porter lawyers are sleazy because of the way they feel they have to convince you by adding the words “brutally” and “horrific”. Don’t you think that you and Radio Vatican listeners are grown up enough to know that rape is “brutal”?

Why did Susie not call Natasha Spivack, the owner of Encounters, to hear her side of the story?

Do you believe that people who actually lose court cases are not worthy of giving an opinion?

Natasha lost that case for a variety of reasons, most importantly because she had allegedly stated to Nataliya at one point that she would “take care of her throughout her married life” which apparently created the kind of liability that lost the case. The judges recognized that “95% of dating sites do not provide such a guarantee”. This is probably why the Appeals decision remains unpublished. It does not really apply elsewhere.

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(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)…

“Senator Sam Brownback is a United States Catholic Senator who was a leading sponsor of the 2005 Act to help clean up the mail order bride business. He says the marriage broker agencies often encourage a perception among their male clients that they are purchasing a bride and that this can be a recipe for disaster”.


Senator Brownback has always backed feminist causes. In Kansas, a Republican can get away with that somehow. But this is an aberration.

 

Here he is presenting radical feminist theory which is really a thin cover for social protectionism of the American marriage market against foreign competition:

 

 
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(Senator Sam Brownback, Primary sponsor of the 2005 Act)… “These mail order bride businesses are almost like a catalog type of business where you …uh….connect people and it’s a catalog type of form...there’s not the personal relationship, there’s not the family relationship that’s involved with it… and it just becomes or is too ripe? or one sided of a relationship to the point it can become a very abusive one rather easily and quickly”.

(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)…“The Senator views are echoed by Ross (Goldstein) who says the scales of these marriage broker agencies are tipped far too heavily in favor in the favor of the paying male client who often treat their women as their chattels”.


What Brownback means is that it is not an all-American-born family. The man is a racist. Of course a site that says it wants to help create families is family-oriented.

 

Dr. Lovett: Is anyone here saying that these sites are connected to the erotic industry? No. Even Brownback won’t lie like that.

 

The statistics say otherwise and logic says otherwise. Upper middle class men do not treat women like chattel:

 

http://www.online-dating-rights.com/forum/index.php?topic=685.0

 

 

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(Ross Goldstein, )… “ The problem with the industry are problems with the nature of the industry itself… I mean look the problem is the industry is trading on a power imbalance between the American typically male who has money and the sophistication… and a woman from a underdeveloped country whose presence in the United States and who is trying to escape usually dire economic circumstances.

 

There is not really an “industry”. Of the 400 dating sites that introduce foreign women to western men, only one is really big and that is www.aforeignaffair.com.

 

He is directly insulting Russian and Polish and Lithuanian women here. He is repeating radical feminist theory of “power imbalances” because he wants to make millions when the courts establish liability and he can go after Match.com and other big sites.

 

It is sleazy for a man to cynically use radical feminist theory as a way to make money in the future via the creation of new liabilities to sue upon.

 

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She comes to this country not familiar with the language, laws or customs of the United States… and her presence in the United States because US Immigration law is entirely dependent upon the American spouse who is frequently her abuser…. She really has no where to go so the problem with the industry is that it trades on this whole power imbalance. They treat the women as the chattel as the goods being sold to the American male. They market these women as ways of being submissive and different from the American females. This is their marketing techniques that suggest that these women are more docile more submissive than they would find in the States...so the whole atmosphere is just a recipe for abuse.”

 

Frequently the abuser? International marriages a general recipe for abuse?

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(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “But why do some of the mail order bride companies appear so reluctant to follow a law whose aim is to try and eliminate the frequent cases of abuse that were occurring.. Layli says this is where seen they are putting profits before ethics.”


Notice how Susie answers her own loaded question.

 

Does this pass for professional journalism among Jesuits at the Vatican?

 

And if Susie really wanted to know why ALL of the dating agencies are “reluctant to follow” IMBRA why did she not ask one?

 

 

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(Layli Miller -Muro)…“Well the agencies are reluctant for a very interesting reason. One would think that in fact protecting women providing them information would be in their best interests. The reality however is that their business model depends on the men paying them. The women don’t pay so the women are the product. The men are their own clients.

 

Layli is lying here because she knows why the agencies are reluctant. They say so in court documents. Here is the Ohio complaint which is actually better than the Georgia complaint which will ultimately win in court:

http://www.veteransabroad.com/complaint.htm

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They pay a great deal of money and the industry’s resistance to this law sends a signal that they’re actually trying to protect a clientele that may most affected by this law, particularly criminals, violent men.


It costs about $15 to contact someone via these agencies. None of the upper middle class men get a sense of ownership out of that. It is cheaper in the long run than the $25 per month fees at Match.com.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 03, 2007, 09:54:20 AM
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Men who are not otherwise able to use traditional dating services or find women in the traditional way…. And so one has to kind of raise an eyebrow to the fact that they are ….. (word not understood) very innocent legislation designed simply to protect women and provide information to them. I think we do have to wonder who they are trying to protect and how they are making money”.


What is happening here is that Layli realized that Susie Hodges is gullible and so they are saying their true feelings that would never be said to a US journalist.

 

They are saying that we upper middle class American businessmen cannot do well on sites like Match.com or Yahoo Personals.

 

This is absurd Dr. Lovett. Catherine can tell you that I did not sound like someone who would have a problem holding a conversation with a western woman.

 

And then they say the legislation is “innocent” and just “provides information to women”.

 

Sir: IMBRA takes away the rights of women to decide their own level of personal security. If a woman can get an anonymous email address in 5 minutes, the US Government does not have the right to stop her from letting the world know what that address is without the time-consuming paperwork of approving each contact in writing before that contact can even provide a photo and a hello

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There is nothing “innocent” about the first law in the history of the world that requires background checks + further hindering paperwork for a man to say hello to a woman (or an American woman to say hello to Sean Patrick Lovett).

 

The dating agencies, which mostly made an average of $200 per month as hobbies before IMBRA and now are mostly out of business until the courts rule, are trying to protect everyone’s right to assemble and free speech.

 

 

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(Moderator/ Commentator Susie Hodges)… “Legal experts like Ross say the abuse suffered by mail order brides is but one offshoot of the very wide spread but under reported crime of domestic violence. A problem that in the majority of cases stays hidden behind the full walls of the home.”

 

Why is Susie on a first-name basis with a greedy Washington DC lawyer?

 

Again: Is it the position of Pope Benedikt to become the megaphone for left wing victim feminism?

 

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(Ross Goldstein)… “Domestic violence in general is widely regarded as one of the most under reported crimes. I think there’s a study done by the Federal government here in the United States within the last 10 years that shows it was reported only about 20 to 25 % of the time. And we have every reason to believe that with an immigrant population that’s unfamiliar with the laws, language and customs of their new country and for those women who come from cultures that are inherently distrustful of the police that the actual reporting level of these incidences would be much lower”.

(Commentator) … “That was lawyer Ross Goldstein and you also have heard from Senator Brownback and Layli Miller- Muro. And I’m Susie Hodges“.


 

The US Government might be able to salvage the part of IMBRA that says that background checks are needed when the American applies for a fiance visa or marriage visa, but only if this applies to the more violent American men who are wanting to marry American women.

Meanwhile, the part of the law that demands background checks at the point of first “hello” is just an ignorant vestige of the idea that 100% or even 20% of the women contacted actually marry the men who say hello to them (the actual figure is less than 1%).



Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 04, 2007, 06:45:26 AM
Here is a great way of showing how ridiculous IMBRA is:

Imagine if the Tahirih Justice Center decided to compromise with us and say "OK. You men are allowed to say hello to foreign women and start a relationship with them. But one week into the relationship the government has to step in to see how things are and to then provide the woman with information necessary for her to make an informed decision about continuing the relationship".

Remember Julia and Winston in the book "1984"?


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: VeteransAbroad on February 06, 2007, 07:58:41 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30761-2004Jul31.html

http://www.radiovaticana.org/en1/enchi.asp

It says "Voice of the Pope" but the pro-feminist, politically correct American male with a high-pitched gay-sounding voice who manages that department, Charles Collins, insists that he is entirely independent of the Pope.

He said contemptuously to me "I am not a Jesuit" and "I am independent of the Pope" and then he said that "Feminism is a loaded political word that I prefer not to use. But we do talk of "women's issues" on our show".

He is too politically correct to recognize the common sense his own Australian woman journalist Catherine had when she wanted to take down the report for having been "hastily put together without checking sources in order to meet a deadline".

He kept saying "Catherine is not in charge here. I am".

Maybe it is time for some women's liberation because Catherine would make an excellent manager at Vatican Radio.

The women of the vatican have more guts than the males.

Actually, I think the Pope has been sleeping through all of this. The oldest generation of conservative males are like that in that they do not keep track of what their own people are saying and they may be too senile to understand just how radically aberrant these concepts are. So many conservative old guys have shown no concept of vigilance anywhere, with examples being the conservative billionaire who died and left Theresa Heinz billions + the old guy who married Anna Nicole Smith. Pope Benedikt, like them, wouldn't be on the ball enough to understand that he is being taken for a ride by those like Charles Collins with anti-family agendas the young Josef Ratzinger would never have dreamed of (that is his former name).

Meanwhile, a major woman reporter for an American newspaper commented on the Vatican story today, saying "this is bizarre".

Another of his comments "Good journalists always use anecdotes." And when I said that they used to put German women on the radio to say a Jewish man had attacked them he broke into my words mid-sentence loudly exclaiming "When you bring the Nazis into it you've lost the argument".

But when Tahirih announces on the radio that an American man accosted his estranged foreign-born wife in a parking lot once...that is NOT a reason for creating a law that forces background checks on men for just being able to say hello.

I am sure Pople Benedikt, who lived through the NS regime in the 30s, would be interested to know that he has an American left-winger over at the radio station who doesn't think there is anything to be learned from the Nazi era.


Title: Re: Vatican Radio broadcasts shocking lies about men
Post by: Taylor on February 09, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
Perhaps Vatican Radio would also like to look at the government studies that seem to suggest that many of the “web-order brides” are using American men to garner money and permanent residency status here in the United States.

This radio report is indicative of what seems to be a major problem in the contemporary media.  Journalists are allowing themselves to be manipulated by political pressure groups.  A good journalistic story presents both sides of an issue.  That wasn’t done in this case.  Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would realize this is not an objective report.  This is an example of inadequate journalism.