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Title: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Michael on March 26, 2007, 03:16:43 PM
***Admin note:  This topic refers to the lawsuit filed by a dating company, European Connections, against the US government to have IMBRA declared unconstitutional based on freedom of speech.  The lawsuit did not challenge the right to assemble.  The lawsuit was filed by a dating company, and the judge specifically addressed the fact that he was ruling on commercial speech.  To date, no single man or woman has sued the US government over IMBRA claiming a violation of freedom of speech or freedom of assembly.

Today the decision on European Connections was handed down.
Not only did they deny the injunction but they are forcing EC to pay defendants costs. 

This is bullshit


- 40 -
IMBRA is highly likely to reduce domestic abuse – and may actually save
lives. The health and safety of foreign women that IMBRA seeks to protect
substantially outweighs any pecuniary harm that IMBRA may cause to some IMBs.
When balancing the harms in this case, the Court is confronted with the classic
“blood-versus-money” analysis, and the safety of foreign women coming to the
United States clearly is the more vital interest.
IV. Public Interest
In this case, the public interest has been vindicated – through the public’s
representatives in Congress – through the enactment of IMBRA. The public has a
keen interest in having its representatives enact legislation to protect women from
domestic violence, and the public also has an interest in avoiding the wisdom of
such legislation second-guessed in a judicial forum. Domestic abuse is a significant
public concern, and the public interest will be vindicated by denying Plaintiff’s
request for a permanent injunction that would bar the enforcement of IMBRA.
CONCLUSION
Based on the findings and conclusions set forth above, the Court DENIES
Plaintiff’s request for preliminary and permanent injunctive relief. All motions
presently pending on the Court’s docket are DENIED as moot. The Court
DISMISSES Plaintiff’s Complaint with prejudice and DIRECTS the Clerk of Court
to mark this case closed.
SO ORDERED this 23rd day of March, 2007.
s/ CLARENCE COOPER
CLARENCE COOPER
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
Case 1:06-cv-00426-CC Document 49 Filed 03/23/2007 Page 40 of 40


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: arabiamark on March 26, 2007, 03:31:16 PM
Sad day for dating rights for the whole country, although most people don't realize it yet.  No doubt the femifascists will be emboldened to enact even more draconian laws now.  Also, any hope that the agencies that caved and went "IMBRA-compliant" will reverse themselves is probably gone for now. 

But we just have to pick ourselves up and continue the fight on other fronts.  The agencies and their lawyers have proven themselves incredibly inept so far.  It's time for individuals to pick up the fight.  And from now on lawyers have to be chosen carefully.  Hopefully a new restraining order from such a suit can be issued so that the feds won't tighten enforcement of this idiot law anytime soon.


P.S.  I look for Pinky to show up and gloat any minute now.  Not worry, eventually we'll have our day.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: frank johnson on March 26, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
"they are forcing EC to pay defendants costs."  (Didn't Arnold & Porter say they spent "millions" on this case so that they can after the big fish - Match.com, eharmony.com, etc.?)

Too bad EC didn't realize that if they lost this case, they are out of business. If they think they will have enough clients willing to give out their personal info (or even go through the sex registry) in order keep their service going, they are sadly mistaken. Of course they can try going under the pretense of complying until the legion of TJC "plants" naps them.

They should have pursued this as a Constitutional issue, not a monetary one. Layli can tell you that you have to be concerned about people first (or the guise of in her case) and then the money (her main goal along with Bahai domination) will come in.

I'm hope EC has enough money saved to retire, although that will probably be eaten up pretty quick when Tahirih Justice Center decides it is time for them to pay for all the trouble they have caused them (aka Revenge Of The Bahai.)

Let's see. $25,000 fine + 5 years in prison times X amount of violations (well documented and fabricated by TJC "experts") equals retirement funds for a lot of defense attorneys to delay (but not prevent) spending the rest of your life in prison broke and looking for a pen pal - NOT the "pen pal" sharing your cell with you.).

Now Layli can concentrate on IMBRA 2, which will imprison men who lie about themselves while being interrogated during their search for a real wife!

I imagine Layli will be booking a flight to Switzerland soon (1st class of course) to visit her bank account there.

Can you imagine the orgy going on at TJC headquarters? Can you imagine the dollar signs in the eyes amongst the other members of the FEMINIST-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX? Can you imagine Pinky's smiling face on this site?

Can you imagine ONE guy with the balls and money to fight IMBRA as a private American citizen fighting his right to privacy and Constitutional rights? Does "pro-choice" only apply to women?

The World Bahai domination continues - first America, then the world! Goodbye to Christian infidels! Convert or DIE!

One thing for sure. You know Osama must be smiling!

First go the men's rights to marry non-feminist women. Then the banning of those lurid "Mens" magazines that exploit women! Goodbye to Hooters! Goodbye to strip clubs! Goodbye to football games on tv! Goodbye to prostitution and other forms of "sexual exploitation" of women! Goodbye porn (well, except for girl on girl!) Goodbye America! Hello Bahai-land aka The United Feminist States!

I wonder if Judge Cooper ever heard of the Constitution? He should have made this decision on April Fool's Day.

"IMBRA - the "politically correct" version of THE EXPATRIATION ACT OF 1907! You WILL obey!" commands Layli.



Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Austria4Ever on March 26, 2007, 04:50:39 PM
Preston didn't think it necessary to mention the Expatriation Act of 1907.

Judge Cooper clearly never did a Google search.

Where the hell is the link to the case? Why do I not have a copy of the decision in my inbox?

From now on, no more ignoring ODR like Preston did and like AODA did.

In a way, I am relieved that we may not have to follow the EC case like ignored waifs anymore.

The next case will include lots of PR and the Expatriation Act as well as any other good find will be pushed front and center.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: ItoldyouSO on March 26, 2007, 05:18:45 PM
 I told you so. In many ways we have you and others to thank for our victory. There was one major dividing line between us and you. We took action while you guys did nothing but talk. Now that we have two court decisions backing us, it will make future dealings go much easier. The law suits were not expected, but in many ways it was a gift of precedent for future laws. Thank you and your supporters for making the future brighter for women all over the world.

I will admit, I held my breath at times thinking you guys may actually have the gumption to do something. The last thing we needed was more law suits while fighting two. If you want to bring it on now, come on.

Don’t feel too bad ODR. You did fulfill the entertainment we needed when we took a break from taking action. Those outrageous words (what happen to the big law suit the man who lives outside the U.S. said was coming), characters like Frank with all talk and no action and the small group of 15 that thought big but did little (more like nothing). Keep talking ODR because that is all you can and ever will do.

Now lets hear all the experts and your excuses why EC lost. You guys truly are the idiots of no conviction. Sit around criticize others and do nothing. You should adopt that as your motto –

Something like:

“Talk with no action, blame others who take action or we know what is best but  no guts to back it up.”

Next case.........LOL...........yea, right.

Even though the time and effort put into this site is useless, I hope you stick around just for fun.

If not ...


Nah, Nah, na, na, hey, hey, hey goooooooooooodbye.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Austria4Ever on March 26, 2007, 05:21:02 PM
Actually, I did have the decision in one of my inboxes.

It shows that Preston, as I have been saying, agreed too much with IMBRA and he was defeated because of it.

1) He stated that he did not give out personal contact information and clearly implied that he did not agree with doing that.

THIS WAS A MASSIVE MISTAKE. What could he (and we) have expected the judge to think if the plaintiff himself was saying that he had no right to be a matchmaker and give out information as matchmakers have done for centuries.

PRESTON UPHELD THE RECENT CONCEPT THAT THE NEW TECHNOLOGY OF ANONYMOUS WEBMAIL MAKES IT SO WE CAN NOW PERMANENTLY BAN THE OLD STYLE OF INTRODUCING PEOPLE.

It makes me wonder why we did not intervene on that matter alone.

2) His lawyer spent ages arguing the IMB regulations as "overbroad" instead of concentrating on why any interference was against the Right to Assemble.

3) He allowed a radical feminist who just graduated from Harvard to be called an "expert".

4) Most important: PRESTON DID NOT DISCUSS FEMINISM AND FEMINIST POLITICS AS THE RATIONAL EXPLANATION FOR WHY CONGRESS ACTED IRRATIONALLY:

Read this money-quote from this jackass judge:

Thus, European Connections cannot prevail by showing that the distinction drawn by IMBRA is not supported by sufficient data or research; nor may European Connections prevail by arguing, as it did at the evidentiary hearing, that Congress is required to investigate the validity of sociological evidence presented to it before legislating in that field. Rather, European Connections must affirmatively prove that Congress acted arbitrarily and irrationally. In contrast, the government “has no obligation to produce evidence to sustain the rationality of a statutory classification.”

Pinky: The reason why nothing was being done until after the decision was because Judge Cooper had originally shown that he understood that the Right to Assemble was involved. That he turned out to be a feminist jackass is a total shock, but it was the right decision to wait to find out if this would be the case.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Taylor on March 26, 2007, 05:36:09 PM
The arguments that are being used to justify this law should now be used to get this law applied to all American dating sites and dating agencies.  The law violates equal protection under the law.  There is no reason why foreign women should be afforded more protections than American women since there is no evidence that the level of domestic abuse is worse in cross-cultural marriages than in domestic marriages.  The minute this law is applied to domestic dating sites, it will “crash” all romantic communication on the Internet.  Once that happens, people will want to get rid of this excessive law completely.

If American feminists are going to deny foreign women the right to meet and marry American men (that is IMBRA’s practical effect), then that right should be denied to American feminist women as well.  All dating sites and dating agencies should be subjected to laws like IMBRA.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Austria4Ever on March 26, 2007, 05:46:45 PM
I just finished reading the entire decision.

Jackass Clarence was clearly hoping to be promoted by Hillary Clinton to the Supreme Court. He is African-American and he was probably told that this + a pro-IMBRA decision would make him a shoe-in.

Pinky just said that they were "doing something" while we were doing nothing. Apparently, they did not wait for the decision but influenced it. Judge Cooper forgot all about what he said in the TRO. There was too much of a change there.

It should be easy to make a new case but we will need heavy PR support. He did not mention the Right to Assemble because he was not forced by EC to do so and that is good because they clearly needed a client to discuss this right.

He also did not mention any Right to Contact Foreigners. In fact, he completely ignored the rights of the males involved.

There was zero sign that he ever found ODR online or was aware that we existed.

In the meanwhile, he probably received tons of mail from feminists and socons.

In fact, that is what probably happened and what Pinky implied when she said that "we did something while you idiots at ODR sat on your hands".

We allowed ourselves to be convinced by a very few others that writing letters to the court was not acceptable.

So ZERO men probably wrote a letter to the court in the past year while I bet the TJC had the opposite strategy: secretly telling as many women as possible to write to the court.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Taylor on March 26, 2007, 05:50:15 PM
I told you so. In many ways we have you and others to thank for our victory. There was one major dividing line between us and you. We took action while you guys did nothing but talk. Now that we have two court decisions backing us, it will make future dealings go much easier. The law suits were not expected, but in many ways it was a gift of precedent for future laws. Thank you and your supporters for making the future brighter for women all over the world.

I will admit, I held my breath at times thinking you guys may actually have the gumption to do something. The last thing we needed was more law suits while fighting two. If you want to bring it on now, come on.

Don’t feel too bad ODR. You did fulfill the entertainment we needed when we took a break from taking action. Those outrageous words (what happen to the big law suit the man who lives outside the U.S. said was coming), characters like Frank with all talk and no action and the small group of 15 that thought big but did little (more like nothing). Keep talking ODR because that is all you can and ever will do.

Now lets hear all the experts and your excuses why EC lost. You guys truly are the idiots of no conviction. Sit around criticize others and do nothing. You should adopt that as your motto –

Something like:

“Talk with no action, blame others who take action or we know what is best but  no guts to back it up.”

Next case.........LOL...........yea, right.

Even though the time and effort put into this site is useless, I hope you stick around just for fun.

If not ...


Nah, Nah, na, na, hey, hey, hey goooooooooooodbye.

What have you won?

I will admit that it will make the future brighter for women in other parts of the world (at least those with access to computers).  With background checks, they will be ensured to get the best men America has.  I personally could care less about the background checks.  You on the other hand, will be left with what remains behind.  ;)

 


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: sig44 on March 26, 2007, 05:58:07 PM
each case may have to be fought individually. these people can more than help. you witches 'll laugh till one of these boy's lay hook to your jaws. http://members.aol.com/rommellaw/


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Austria4Ever on March 26, 2007, 06:08:06 PM
I like Taylor's attitude even though I disagree that the best men will continue using American "IMBs".

This is the starting gun that many have been waiting for. We will now see if any millionaires are going to pony up to defend the right to say hello.

Any new lawsuit has to be accompanied by a political threat.

The Republicans need to be put on notice that they, with the exception of Giuliani, will suffer more abuse in the Congressional elections of 2008 if they continue to support the VAWA.

RADAR should be informed that Jackass Cooper upheld VAWA in his dishonest decision.

By the way, Cooper called Steckel a liar.

That is the thanks Preston got for trying to agree with the radical feminist concept that "personal contact information" should not be given out.

I am sure Preston will agree now that this was a mistake.

Give the other side an inch and they take a mile.

Cooper did not even have to make a decision that "personal contact information" constitutes this and that nor that "personal contact information" should not be given between two people.

Cooper was not forced to decide if a woman's anonymous hotmail.com address really constitutes personal contact information.

IN OTHER WORDS, AS FAR AS EC WAS CONCERNED, I WAS WASTING MY TIME POSTING HERE BECAUSE NOT EVEN EC WAS LISTENING TO ME NOR TAKING ME SERIOUSLY.

EVERY NINTH OR TENTH POST I MADE WAS EXPECTED TO BE TURNED INTO A COURT BRIEF.

FRANK'S OCTOBER POST ON THE EXPATRIATION ACT NEEDED TO BECOME AN EC COURT BRIEF.

I DID NOT POST HERE FOR MY HEALTH, BUT THAT WAS THE ATTITUDE OF BOTH AODA AND EC.

There was no sticking together at all in this ordeal over the past year. Tristan, Taylor, Dave, Frank and many others were totally ignored by EC and AODA.

But then again, seeing that Judge Cooper turned out to be such a jackass, it may be better that the ammunition was saved for the next case.

We were just waiting for this start signal. We thought from the TRO that Judge Cooper was smart.

Then again, maybe Cooper was told by the socons above him that they would overturn anything he said that did not uphold IMBRA?

Most of what has been said at ODR has NEVER BEEN MENTIONED IN COURT.

But we will need a $100,000 PR campaign threatening the Republican politicians with loss of office in 2008...to go along with the lawsuit.

If we cannot get on the political radar, it will take as long as it did with the Expatriation Act to get rid of this.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Taylor on March 26, 2007, 10:34:17 PM
“The law suits were not expected, but in many ways it was a gift of precedent for future laws.”--ItoldyouSo

Think of it, Thomas Rose called men a commodity that required full disclosure requirements.  He also believes that free speech can be regulated.

Clarence Cooper thinks that a federal judge shouldn’t ever question laws that have been enacted by our government involving domestic violence.

Wow, what great legal precedents.  I guess if we want to outlaw abortion we can classify it as domestic violence against infants. That way the courts will not try to second-guess the decision of any legislature that passes such a law. 

If we want to outlaw pornography, we can state that we are not regulating adult’s exposure to nudity.  We are only regulating the context within which they can look at nude bodies.

We can even limit feminists to two divorces subject to a government waiver.  We aren’t regulating their ability to get married, only the context within which they get married.

We can limit single women’s access to contraceptives.  Since promiscuous sex promotes the spread of diseases, and the use of contraceptives promotes sexual behavior, society has a compelling need to limit women’s access to contraceptives.  We can use the argument of “protecting women” from sexually transmitted diseases.

Those are some future laws to ponder.  Do you think that the Religious Right might want laws that are similar to this?



Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: frank johnson on March 27, 2007, 12:04:36 AM
"Cooper called Steckel a liar." What does that make Layli and her fabricated "facts and stats" that could easily be checked out? Sure gives you confidence in the justice system, doesn't it?

Every man has his price. Obviously with our tax dollars, TJC could afford Cooper's. Propaganda with taxpayer money won this battle (for now) but the war is far from over and that is what counts in the end.

As to Stinky, your post was expected of course (why do you keep changing your name?)


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Austria4Ever on March 27, 2007, 01:16:31 AM
Judge Clarence Cooper's price was that he wanted President Hillary Clinton or President Obama to give him a Supreme Court position.

He was clearly told that good things would happen in his career if he reversed his original attitude. He was told that there were no upper middle class businessmen out there who were opposed to this law (or if he looked at ODR, he pretended not to have known about it).

But you readers are all going to past the name of Judge Clarence Cooper all over the blogs and forums so his nomination, should Giuliani lose this bid for the presidency, will be passed over.

Right?

I learned my lesson. My gut instinct always told me to call the court myself and try to speak to anyone about how I could get my point across without a lawyer.

I bet the feminists were doing this and not letting us know about the action.

Of course people in a free country can contact a court that is making a decision. It might not do any good, but it is legal to try. The socons at FreeRepublic are plastering the courts with protests about the COPA law being overturned at the district level for the second time.

Over at FreeRepublic.com, they post the phone numbers and email addresses of all the interns and aides of the circuit that will be hearing the COPA appeal.

In fact, what is weird was that a business trip yesterday delayed my decision to personally call the Georgia court yesterday.

If I had not been on a trip, I would have called at the exact time the ruling was coming out...meaning I would have been too late anyway.

The factor that drove me to the decision to finally call the court myself (an action never realized) was when I read the transcript of Jeanne Smoot's testimony 7 days ago and realized that she had won the debate against a very politically correct and unprepared opponent who granted her "expert" status for being a radical feminist who hates men.

I still have not seen a copy of Preston Steckel's testimony...which shows a huge problem with the American justice system. If a guy like me who actually cared about such matters was still unable to see a trial transcript...there was a miscarriage of justice in that factor alone.

Somebody might want to file a lawsuit (or intervene in the appeal) specifically stating that the transcripts of the trial should have been made available online with the rest of the court documents.

I did not even know until the shocking decision last night that Preston had said that giving out "personal contact information" (ie a woman's anonymous hotmail address that she wants the world to know about) was wrong and that he did not engage in this...completely handing the case to Tahirih and pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

I say the decision was "shocking" because of the complete reversal in attitude of the judge and the revelation of some of what had transpired in Preston's court testimony that I had not known about before.

If I had been able to see the transcripts last year, history would have been different. We would not have wasted a year to get the actual citizen lawsuit we are going to get now.

We are now a year behind, but look at it this way: we only realized that our rights were in jeapardy a year ago when they were completely taken away.


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Michael on March 27, 2007, 11:55:33 AM
I am going to file my own suit.  If there are any attorneys that are willing to help me, please let me know.  My email is michaellovesnyc@aol.com


Title: Re: European Connections Loses Lawsuit
Post by: Austria4Ever on March 28, 2007, 02:08:32 AM
This time around, I would not mind multiple lawsuits, as long as the lawyers mine ODR for material and ask Tristan, Taylor, Dave, me or some other ODR person to proofread their briefs.

1) There will be no agreeing with IMBRA in any way. That is what cooked EC. They agreed with the law and even agreed that giving out contact information is bad.

2) You will also need a few "experts" to testify. Someone from RADAR can testify that the Congress is going nuts over any crap the feminists put out.

One of us at ODR should also be asked to play Randy Miller in a practice trial. We want the lawyer to be prepared with sharp answers to everything that can be said.

Meanwhile, anyone with $200 might consider doing a press release TODAY to counter Tahirih's new press release that is full of mistruths (background checks are "information"). Do a Google search on online Press Release services. Be prepared to leave your phone number so journalists can reach you as an "expert".

Or better yet, donate now to ODR so we can do more press releases.