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Author Topic: More shoddy "scholarship" from kneejerk feminists at NOW  (Read 6808 times)
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« on: July 09, 2007, 02:05:45 PM »

Here is a piece of "scholarship" just released by NOW to butress their support for IMBRA.  Like so much other similar work, this is a masterpiece of the absence of intellectually integrity. 

Leslye Orloff of NOW's Legal Momentum and Hema Sarangapani, are the ersatz scholars and authors of the report.

The report can be accessed here:

Here are some excerpts:
Governmental and Industry Roles and Responsibilities in Response to International Marriage Brokers: Equalizing the Balance of Power
Between Foreign Fiances and Spouses
[God forbid that power is not exactly equal at all times, as measured by NOW]

The international marriage broker (IMB) industry, an industry that markets available foreign brides primarily to U.S. citizens, has dramatically grown in recent years. Relying heavily on the Internet, this industry remained largely unregulated through 2005. In recent years, concern has grown over the all-too-frequent phenomenon of U.S. citizen and lawful permanent resident abusive men using the services of IMBs to meet foreign fiancés and wives, only to lock them into physically and sexually
abusive relationships once they are brought to the U.S.
[My wife keeps asking me with a twinkle in her eye: "When does the sex abuse start?"]

Contemporary Practices of IMBs
In a typical IMB recruitment process, the bridal agencies initiate contact with potential brides by primarily utilizing Internet, newspaper, and magazine advertisements (Chun, 1996; O’Rourke, 2002). The agencies screen potential recruits, select eligible candidates for marriage, assign them identification numbers, and include their full-body photographs or headshots in print magazines, Internet catalogues, or both. Recruits are also often required to provide other personal information, including
physical measurements and personal interests (Chun, 1996).
After developing a catalogue of profiles of women available for marriage, the agencies direct their efforts toward attracting potential consumers.
[Sounds like]

Some foreign fiancés will be brought to the United States by citizens who will begin an intimate relationship with the foreign fiancé, subsequently abuse her, and then refuse to marry her... [Can you imagine that?  A man who refuses to marry a woman?  And worse, the authors of this report imply that if he is abusing her he should then marry her.  Go figure.]

[and here is one of their footnotes]
2. A search for mail-order bride at on August 7, 2005, produced approximately 444,000 hits. Nearly all of the first 50 hits were links to introduction agencies or informational sites on
the mail-order bride process. In addition, one informational site (, the Mail Order Bride Warehouse, contains links to thousands of agencies searchable by international region (e.g., “Asian,” “Latin,” “Soviet,” “Multi-ethnic”)

[So what exactly is this information supposed to prove?  Apparently these authors think that if there are a lot of hits on a phrase on Google, it means something bad.  Yes, men who want to marry foreign women are bad because there are a lot of hits when they type in "mail order bride."  Can anyone believe that this kind of scholarship is anything but the most sophmoric?]

Authors's bios:
Leslye E. Orloff is Director of the Immigrant Women Program (IWP) at Legal Momentum's Washington,
D.C. office and is a co-founder and co-chair of the National Network to End Violence Against Immigrant
Women. She was involved in drafting provisions of VAWA 2005 aimed at regulating International
Marriage Brokers as well as the Protections for Battered Immigrant Women Provisions of VAWA 1994,
2000, and 2005. She has written local and national training curricula and manuals and is a nationally
respected trainer on domestic violence, cultural competency, family law, protection orders, the Violence
Against Women's Act's immigration provisions, welfare rights of battered immigrant women, and the
nexus between domestic violence and immigration law.

Hema Sarangapani is a Staff Attorney at Greater Boston Legal Services working primarily with immigrant
survivors of gender-based violence to access immigration relief under the Violence Against Women
Act. Ms. Sarangapani is a 2005 graduate of Northeastern University School of Law and is committed to
increasing awareness of the intersections of race, gender, sexuality, and economic status within the violence
against women movement.


Advocacy groups that get taxpayer money for "protecting" foreign women and the thoughtless media call foreign woman a "mail order bride" if she met her husband via internet.  This is American imperialism, it is denigrating, insulting and portrays the women as helpless fools.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2007, 03:08:20 PM »

if they really wanted to help humanity they stop studying womens issues and start studying the sciences. who knows, they might come up w/ a new flush commode or a warp drive engine. just think what they could do w/ that!
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2007, 06:22:34 PM »

Boy, there sure is a lot to pick apart in that rant.  Why was it written?  IMBRA is law.  No need to keep defending an already done deal, or is there?  Me thinks they are getting all their thoughts together and gearing up for another battle.  These folks are absolutely hell bent on pushing their agenda.

You could just about put your finger anywhere on that book report and have something to smack down.  How about this one - [my comments in brackets]

The Importance of IMBRA

Although IMBRA is the first legislation to specifically provide protections for the growing population of immigrants who came to the United States through involvement with IMBs, some argue [ya think] that the government should not intervene in a private matter of marriage between two individuals. In demanding effective state responses to domestic violence, the modern antiviolence movement has challenged this divide and held the state accountable to survivors of violence against women (Marshall, 1997). Arguments that protection order statutes deprive the abuser of his liberty interests in his home, family, reputation, freedom of association, free speech, due process, or equal protection rights [my my, wonder we she got that list] have been consistently rejected by courts in upholding the constitutionality of protection order statutes (Klein & Orloff, 1993). [poor argument. protection orders are given out AFTER someone has been accused of doing something bad] Similarly [no, not similar at all to protection orders], IMBRA provisions of VAWA 2005 represent an effort by Congress not to increase already existing scrutiny of marriages [correct, its an effort by NOW et al to scrutinize meeting and communication BEFORE anyone is accused of anything] involving immigrants but to (a) acknowledge the need for additional regulation of IMBs to curb violence against women and reduce the imbalance of power between IMB clients and their female recruits, (b) increase the accountability of IMB agencies with respect to their recruits, (c) involve DHS and the State Department in collecting criminal history information and tracking multiple spouse and fiancé visa petitions filed by U.S. citizens,and (d) arm international brides with information that will allow them to make more informed choices when considering marriage to an IMB client.

« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 01:06:12 PM »

Carey Roberts has written about how Foreign Women can abuse VAWA to stay in the US and fleece American Men. He is showing that the Laws are ripe for abuse towards Men. And denies us equal protection under the law. It is in fact discrimination Per Se. The facts speaks for themsleves. NOW must continue to sell IMBRA to Women as their allies in the Senate proposed this vile piece of anti-Male hatred. Just one more reason I plan to live the US upon retirement. The US is in fact a huge Sex Prison for Men.

But its Party time for Women in the US. And they don't want that to change. So they continue to support this destructive piece of legislation. It will backfire. It is already unravelling. They cannot find the Sex trafficked Victims!! They aren't hardly any. They know this though. This is a scam, to create jobs for FemNags. A Solution seeking a problem.

The answer is for US Men to live overseas a couple of years. When they do, in a non Feminized country they will have a different take on Gender relations. Will be disgusted with US Women. And will not settle for less than they want.
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