Discussion of Bahai fraud and TJC

[frank johnson]

http://bahaisonline.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1847&Itemid=2

"The Secret of Armageddon"     
Written by The Middle East Media Research Institute   
Wednesday, 02 July 2008
Iranian TV Series Affirms Protocols of Elders of Zion, Promotes Conspiracy Theories, Claims Jews Are Planning "the Genocide of Humanity" and IRANIAN BAHAI COMMUNITIES ARE PLOTTING TO TAKE OVER IRAN (presumably with US tax dollars.)

Just like the Zionists considered Palestine to be their promised land, the Baha'is talked about Iran as the promised land. (although the USA will do also.)
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http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1802.htm

IRINN, May 28, 2008

Iranian university lecturer Ali-Reza Karimi: Historical documents point to a connection between the leaders of the Bahai sect and the Rothschild family, who financed and led the World Zionist Organization.

The Bahai way of thinking is very similar to that of the Zionist Jews. Just like the Zionists considered Palestine to be their promised land, the Bahais talked about Iran as the promised land. Out of their desire to TAKE OVER THE LAND AND TO DESTROY ISLAM and the Shia in Iran, they had many dreams and wrote many history books, but with the grace of Allah, none of those dreams have come true.

Narrator: A shocking SAVAK document, dated April 22, 1971, is just one example of the anti-Islamic and anti-Iranian conspiracies of this Zionist [Bahai] cult. This document quotes one of their leaders in Iran as saying: "We have received explicit instructions from America and London to spread [Western] fashion and immodesty in this country, so Muslim [women] will remove their veil. We will bring suffering upon the Muslims in Iran and other Muslim countries by means of fashion and advertisements, so they will no longer be able to claim that that imam Hussein was the conqueror of the world, and that Ali ruled the world. Weapons and ammunition are manufactured in Israel by our youth. Ultimately, these MUSLIMS WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE BAHAIS, and the world of Bahaullah will flourish."
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http://freebahais.com/zimmer/chap2.htm

The Bahai organization thinks it must TAKE OVER POLITICAL POWER (cf. also Sears, Thief in the Night, 1961, p. 148f.).

The Bahai Organization acts like Shoghi: It Ignores all attacks. On the other hand it buys up the entire critical literature about the problem of the Testament and its effects on the teachings of Baha'u'llah and Abdul Baha, published by believers in the Bahai teachings existing outside the Organization. These publications are swept up from the American bookmarket, whether new or second hand. Neither through recognized International booksellers nor with the help of American friends is it possible to supply oneself with such publications. Thus Ruth White's prediction has come true: that the Bahai Organization would do everything to suppress the brochure of Badi'u'-llah: "The Epistle to the Bahai World" and thus to withhold It from future generations. That the same thing would happen with her own writings is the logical consequence (See White, Bahai Religion,  p. 127).
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http://planetgrenada.blogspot.com/2005/03/gentle-bahai.html

Saturday, March 19, 2005

I've been thinking about the Bahai faith alot these days. They actually do have a PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. It's kind of weird, I don't want to sound like some crazy fundamentalist who can't quite decide if the anti-Christ will come from the Vatican or the UN. But the Bahais actually do have a vision for the future involving a one world government based on Bahai principles. And they are gradually taking steps to try to MAKE THAT VISION A REALITY.

it would not be surprising to me if at some future point in time, assuming the Bahai faith spreads and grows, Bahais would also ROUND UP MUSLIMS ON TRAINS AND PUT THEM IN OVENS (presumably along with Christian American men who like Christian foreign women.)

It's great news if you are Bahai. But it is less clear what it will mean for the rest of us.

[frank johnson]

This is a great gem about Larry Miller and the planned Bahai takeover of the World, which in typical lyin' Larry fashion he denies. It is a long article I found but I felt it best to post it in its entirety as I think it is relevant how the Bahais suck up to corporate America for power and money. Also there are many capped words, the majority of which were made by the person who wrote the post - I only added a few here and there and just a few comments of my own.

How does this all relate to IMBRA? Very very much so. It says on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Bahá'í)

"Some of the principles outlined in the (Bahai) New World Order include the setting up a (Bahai controlled) WORLD GOVERNMENT which could ENACT LAWS required to satisfy the needs of all (Bahai feminist) people."

Sounds like IMBRA to me. In fact IMBRA is probably the Bahai test of sneaking in the first of many laws to come.

An interesting recent discussion of Bahai Larry Miller and his plans for the BAHAI NEW WORLD ORDER which shall control us all - with him as King and Layli as Queen presumably. IRS please take note on the obvious LOBBYING going on with Larry Miller, Layli Miller-Muro, the Tahirih Justice Center, our tax dollars and THEIR BAHAI plans for religious domination replacing all other religions AND governments, especially the U.S. Government!

To quote the master liar himself:

"There is no Baha’i plan to impose its values or teachings on anyone. "

"Baha’is do not participate in politics."

"(Bahais) believe in obedience to the civil government in whatever country they find themselves."

"You have nothing to fear from Baha’is."

"Baha’is do not seek to make you like us."

"As if you were having so much effect that I was trying to stop you. In your dreams!"

"The moment you start ranting and spewing out ridiculous conspiracy theories you are immediately dismissed."

"Your websites are a great threat to our upcoming takeover of the world."

 "the Baha'i Faith is the evil empire taking over the world."

Glad to see other people are also onto this obvious scam. And if nothing else, at least scroll down to part 2 (the next post) to read Larry Miller's pathetic response to the poster.

Perhaps Larry can spare a moment from LOBBYING for the Bahai Faith takeover and Tahirih Justice Center to enlighten us about this post. We know Larry and Layli read ODR everyday!

Here we go folks! Enjoy and if you like this, wait until you read my upcoming post on AGENDA 21 and the Bahais!
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http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.religion.bahai/2008-12/msg00053.html

Re: Larry Miller/Lawrence M Miller- Permanent Board Member Tahirih Justice Center-father of TJC Center founder (Layli Miller-Muro), published EXPERT ON BAHAI CORPORATE PRINCIPLES/STRATEGIES.

    * From: maybeiam101@xxxxxxxxx
    * Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:51:45 -0800 (PST)

On Dec 6, 3:28 am, PaulHammond <pahamm...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    So, Larry Miller works as a consultant, and is also a Baha'i.

    Tell me, how SHOULD he have made his living?

Are you kidding me? I find it difficult to take a reply like this seriously, as its almost total incredulity to the point of the post is a bit hard to believe. Regardless, since you pretty much missed (or chose to miss) the entire point of the last post I made about the nature of certain NGO groups, issues of Revolving Door and Social
Network theory which impact upon the analysis of power within corporate and private sectors, I will remind you of those points in relation to this post.

1) Though you may POTENTIALLY be able to a make a moral judgement
about the virtue of working/having worked for these companies (and
probably made a small fortune from it), I am NOT NECESSARILY making
such a judgement, however

2) when you are a VERY HIGH PROFILE member of a distinctly identified
Baha'i business community, have published books on Baha'i related
business strategies and speak at Baha'i business conferences, and are
now involved in an NGO group (Tahirih Justice Center which your ACTIVELY BAHAI DAUGHTER founded), ) I imagine that as the Baha'i (as with other religions)
there may be some sort of moral or ethical code to which you praport to adhere. This makes somewhat more appropriate to make a moral judgement about a person's/organizations activities. Personally, I believe there are HUGE ethical issues at work in attempting to ENMESH A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SUCH AS THE BAHAIS WITH INCREDIBLY POWERFUL AND CORRUPT CORPORATE ENTITIES. For me, the activities of the companies that Larry Miller has consulted with (and proudly displays on his website) have been, and continue to be utterly morally reprehensible, and I do perceive a great conflict of interest in
claiming to be acting in the social and moral interests OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE when the most IMMEDIATE BENEFIT gleaned from an involvement with these companies is a) PERSONAL, b) SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BAHAI COMMUNITY (including and especially the Tahirih Justice Center.)

3) HOWEVER, the point I am making is not dependent upon a moral
judgement of how Lawrence M Miller should or shouldn't have made his fortune.

Rather, it is about the power, and influence wielded by the Baha'i
organization and the various NGO and corporate groups it is involved
with, when FOR TAX AND LEGAL PURPOSES, the organization claims to be a
POLITICALLY NEUTRAL RELIGIOUS BODY working for the benefit of mankind.
The issue here is about TRANSPARENCY OF PURPOSE within an organization
that has VERY LOFTY GOALS that potentially affect the ENTIRE WORLD
should their stated aims be achieved (see further discussion of the problems with these issues below).

As you paid no attention to these points in a previous post I made, let me re-iterate the issue at hand. Note well, there is no implicit PERSONAL JUDGEMENT about Lawrence M Miller contained within them. Rather, I am simply presenting an analysis of why the way he (like his daughter Layli and their Tahirih Justice Center)has conducted his business in such close ideological and economic proximity to the Baha'i organization and it networks is potentially highly problematic.

What exactly is the problem with the pattern of corporate involvement that seemingly occurs within the Baha'i organization, and why should its corporate and political associations be continually questioned?

Baha'i prophecy/philosophy 101: A NEW BAHA'I WORLD ORDER- (n.b. before
you launch a simplistic 'conspiracy theory' attack against these terms, note well the context in which I'm discussing it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Bahá'í)

"Some of the principles outlined in the New World Order include universal peace; the UNITY OF RELIGION (i.e. all religions become Bahai) ; the setting up a (Bahai controlled) WORLD GOVERNMENT which could enact laws required to satisfy the needs of all people; an elected world parliament; a binding world tribunal; a world police force; a universal bill of human rights; the universal right to education; the setting up of an auxiliary universal language (Farsi I assume), the continued diversity of culture; a system of world commerce through the establishment of an equitable economic system where the economic security of the (Bahai elite) individual is assured.

This is the openly discussed goal of the Baha'i organization. There can be little doubt that ushering in and occupying a central part in such a vision takes enormous financial and political resources. Yet, people on this board/who defend the Baha'i organization in general get up in arms when the power structures behind this vision are criticized, or when people raise the fact that every single aspect of
the way power is wielded in such an organization should be brought under the closest possible scrutiny, in order to prevent potential corruption within such a massive, over-arching system of power.

 What is described here IS the VERY ORWELLIAN REALITY that conspiracy
theorists talk about! World Police! World Bank! World Laws! Do not be alarmed- continue enjoying your economic equality/prosperity! Of course the 'government' of this system talks about universal justice, human rights, economic opportunity- you gotta sell the thing somehow! Yet, people on this board act all surprised when 'theories' are raised regarding exactly how such a vision would be realized, or the
potential problems behind it. This is an organization that SHOULD have every possible angle of its reasoning questioned and scrutinized to the highest degree when it envisages such a HUGE agenda as this.

As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process of this "New World Order" (as so many claim with mind blowing incredulity), given the way the ORGANIZATION COURTS GOVERNMENTS, LOBBY GROUPS, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that CERTAIN OF THEIR MEMBERS (Larry Miller, Layli Miller-Muro) AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant power or influence
is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every single Baha'i in some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does this make simply being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is in question is the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those of its members and networks that posses particular instruments of influence and power (the elite.) In this case, let's review Larry Miller/ Lawrence M Miller's previous client list again, taking into account the numerous direct links that these companies maintain with the TAHIRIH JUSTICE CENTER and its board members:

Air Canada
AIESEC International
Allina Health Care
Amoco Oil
American Express
Honeywell
Compass
Alabama Power Company
Bell Canada
Chick-fil-A
Clark Schwebel
Coca-Cola, USA
Corning
Delmarva Power & Light
Dial Corporation
Eastman Kodak
Exxon, USA
Harris Corporation
Honda America Manufacturing
Landmark Communications
McDonald’s Corporation
Merck
Met Life
Murray Ohio Manufacturing
NationsBank
Plymouth Tube
Printpack
QuickTrip
Sara Lee Corporation
Shell Oil Company
Scott Paper Company
Southwestern Bell
Springs Industries
Star Tribune
Tarmac America
Texaco
Upjohn Company
Varig Airline

Let us now look at another quote from pg 16 of Lawrence M Miller's "This Revolutionary System.The Evolution of Human Capacity: The Revolutionary System. of BAHAI ADMINISTRATION. Perspective, Characteristics, &. Competencies"- (available at archive.changing- times.org/fileadmin/presentation-material/05/miller-this_revolutionary_system.pdf)

Larry Miller says “The institutions of the present-day Baha'i Administrative Order,
which constitute the "structural basis" of Baha'u'llah's World Order, will mature and evolve into the BAHAI WORLD COMMONWEALTH. In this regard, Shoghi Effendi affirms that the Administrative Order "will, as its component parts, its organic institutions, begin to function with efficiency and vigour, assert its claim and demonstrate its capacity to be regarded not only as the nucleus but the very pattern of the NEW WORLD ORDER destined to embrace in the fullness of time the whole of mankind".

Lets just read that again: " its organic institutions, begin to function with efficiency and vigour, assert its claim and demonstrate its capacity to be regarded not only as the nucleus but the very pattern of the New World Order destined to embrace in the fullness of time the whole of mankind "

The NUCLEUS AND PATTERN of the NEW WORLD ORDER EMBRACING THE WHOLE OF MANKIND? So, if this is the goal Lawrence M Miller's corporate
strategy is working towards based on the goals of the Baha'i organization, how can it be argued that the way a person of influence such as Larry/Lawrence has conducted and continues to conduct his business under the banner of the Baha'i organization and its related principles and strategies, is of no consequence? Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that Lawrence M Miller (or anyone else acting in a similar capacity) would simply cut all ties with these companies
when he is actively working to affect the stated goals above? This is in fact CONTRARY to the very strategy he lays out!

At present, the pattern of corporate (and possible government involvement) painted so far (and I would once again refer you to the concepts of Social Network Theory and Revolving Door Politics to elucidate the methods of reasoning behind such analysis) demonstrates no radical and beneficial social agenda other than the maintenance of a specific American corporatist/political power bloc. Again, if you
operate a business/religious organization, you cannot claim to be genuinely changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures. Moreover, as Lawrence M Miller has stated HIMSELF, the
goal is not to be TANGENTIALLY INVOLVED with these corporations, but
actively encourage and support their role within the society he/the Baha'is envisage. These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient 'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll know what I mean). Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through
positive association with philanthropic entities. The much talked about but, but ultimately widely misunderstood Rockefeller Foundation is one of the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is being increasingly implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally potent forces of DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common garden variety conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication. These are the very real, evidentially verifiable movements of corporate subversion and political corruption.

Again, as I have previously stated (but obviously not clearly enough to prevent you, Paul, from making such utterly irrelevant comments as asking me "how SHOULD he have made his living"

In this context, a very specific institutional agenda can potentially be identified. Namely, that whilst creating the image that they are part of the solution for certain social, economic and political 'status quos', including unfair distribution of wealth, gender injustice, and environmentally irresponsible corporate activity, their
organizational mechanisms and methods of wielding influence actually suggest a far different perspective. Rather than actually CHANGING anything, they are merely attempting to create the ILLUSION OF CHANGE, whilst preserving the interests of their own organizations. As was the case with someone like Maurice Strong (Baha'i or otherwise is not important in this case), this person could be seen as championing a liberal, socially responsible (even socialist), environmentally
sensitive political and institutional agenda (many of the principles of which I would totally support in theory), his actions, both within bureaucratic and corporate/financial institutions, suggest that he is involved in a wider process designed to ensure a smooth transition of power within a certain corporate and financial elite. Granted, he may create certain small changes in corporate environmental policy along the way, but ultimately there as long as there is nothing to lose by making these concessions (or creating the illusion of them) the status quo of the power elite essentially remains the same. Such strategies need not suggest anything massively conspiratorial beyond the simple raison d'tre of the corporate model, which most people no not fully understand anyway. If a lot of people don't fully understand (or want to understand) the way institutional power operates, there's not really that much need for conspiracy. LIkewise, if you interpret the corporate strategies someone like Lawrence M Miller appears to use, you are potentially not affecting any real change in the corporate environment that benefits humanity. If he doesn't really want to do that, fine, no judgement here. However, what an organization that supposedly acts in the public morality should do, is not provide an
easy means of corporations involving themselves with supposedly philanthropic enterprises, when they continue to act in criminally liable ways (again, see the many lists of 'corporate fines' available online and elsewhere). Moreover, to establish a system in which these companies maintain their power and are not in any way held to account for their prior actions is staggeringly irresponsible.

For example, ExxonMobil has been responsible for enormous environmental depletion and damage. Suppose, for reasons of simple long-term economic survival, it seeks to shift to supposedly 'clean' energy and associated industries. This is,
1) preceded by a shift in corporate image, assisted not only by marketing, but by its association with amiable NGO/philanthropic groups who benefit from it financially,
2) guaranteed continued support within political institutions by astute mediation by the likes of Maurice Strong and other powerful people who move easily between the private and public sectors, and sit on more advisory boards (Tahirih Justice Center) than you can poke a stick at, and
3) engineered purely as a means of corporate survival and maintenance of an economic status quo. The market changes, change your product as much as you can to its needs, but only enough so that it continues to support your company without affecting the bottom line,

Once again, let me CLEARLY STATE the issue here, aside from any personal judgement about Larry Millers/Lawrence M Miller's personal character. The implications of an entrenched organizational corporate ideology to the Baha i movement, that seeks to intrinsically involve itself with processes of corporate strategy and GOVERNMENT LOBBYING (as all major corporations do) raises VERY serious questions about its true nature and purpose, and status as a politically neutral, NGO 'religious' body.

[frank johnson]

Part 2

Frank here. Notice Larry Miller's rebuttal here. He downplays himself and tries to change the subject via analogies just like he did on ODR. Is this your Bahai modus operandi Larry? Doesn't work too well on ODR does it? In fact, it sounds more like bullshit operandi.

Larry speaks:

    Presumably, you maybeiamone, have a scrupulously clean employment
    record and have never worked for any kind of profit-making business?

You really seem to be scraping the bottom of the argument barrel here, Paul. I set up a lemonade stand when I was a child, and made a profit. Does that count as a profit making business? Yeah, I probably overcharged a few cents (we're sure of that Larry!) - mea culpa! Seriously, this is one of the most truly ridiculous attempts to suggest I'm a hypocrite in some way because I've at some time worked for a 'profit making business', which come to think of it could also include the sandwich bar I worked in many, many years ago- it made a profit. I certainly HAVE NEVER WORKED AS A CONSULTANT to Shell Oil, McDonalds, Coca Cola, Exxon etc etc etc. Chalk and Cheese, Paul, Chalk and Cheese.

(see his website and below where he touts his consulting to these companies despite what he just said! What a BSer. Of course WE already know he is a liar. And Layli? The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, does it Larry and Layli?)
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    maybeiam...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

        Larry Miller/Lawrence M Miller- Permanent Board Member Tahirih Justice
        Center-father of TJC Center founder, Layli Miller Muro, eublished
        EXPERT ON BAHAI CORPORATE PRIINCIPLES/STRATEGIES.
       
        http://www.tahirih.org/tahirih/about/board_of_advisors.html#permanent...

        Personal Website:

        http://www.lmmiller.com/

        Businesses for Baha i on the Internet
        http://www.bcca.org/bahaivision/p1000.html

        (pages links to personal website) Lawrence M Miller & Associates -
        consulting business, developing systems that impact human performance
        and learning

        The Evolution of Human Capacity: The Revolutionary System. of BAHAI                ADMINISTRATION. Perspective, Characteristics, &. Competencies. By
        Lawrence M. Miller

        (document can be found at)
        archive.changing-times.org/fileadmin/presentation-material/05/miller-
        this_revolutionary_system.pdf

        Quote from introduction to Document:

        The Revolutionary System  of BAHAI ADMINISTRATION Perspective,
        Characteristics, & Competencies
        Lawrence M. Miller
        www.lmmiller.com

        Page 2

        Changing-Times
        (my humble contribution)
        1.
        This Revolutionary System: What do
        we have to offer the world?
        2.
        SPIRITUAL ENTERPRISE: Applying Our
        Principles to Managing Organizations
        and Commerce
        3.
        Consultation: The Core Competence
        4.
        Public Speaking: A Core Competence
        of Professional Success in Almost Any
        Field

        Page 3
        3
        Our Agenda
        Perspective:

        Developing Maturity and Capacity
        Characteristics of the BAHAI SYSTEM
        Capacities and Competencies:
        What is required of you in order to achieve the promise of Bahai
        Administration

        Lawrence M Miller has also been a prominent speaker at numerous BAHAI        RELATED BUSINESS EVENTS, including:

         http://www.uga.edu/bahai/2002/020408-1.html

        The Baha'i Business Forum of the Americas (BBFA) Conference Update
        The Baha'i Business Forum of the Americas (BBFA) warmly invites you
        to the first BBFA Conference, entitled "Bringing Spiritual Principles
        and Values to Business". The Keynote speaker agenda is as follows:

        -     Dr. Robert C. Henderson; Business as an Agent of Service.

        -     Lawrence M. Miller; .The Impact of Baha.u.llah.s Revelation on
        Business and Commerce.

        -     Shahab Fatheazam;.CHANGING ECONOMIC WORLD ORDER:     OPPORTUNITY or Crisis Management.

        The conference will be held June 7-9, 2002 at the Hyatt Regency,
        Reston, Virginia, USA.

        Workshops include: Business Ethics, Servant Leadership, A Spiritual
        Perspective on Economics, Consultation, Conflict Resolution, and
        Negotiation in Business. Special workshops for students of business
        and economics will be offered.

        Opportunities for mentorship and networking are planned.

        Let s now take a look at Lawrence M Miller/Larry Miller s previous
        record in the consulting business:

        http://www.lmmiller.com/clients.php

        Over the past thirty years we have worked with many of the world's
        best organizations, each a learning experience.

        Some of the clients we have had the privilege to serve include the
        following

            * Air Canada
            * AIESEC International
            * Allina Health Care
            * Amoco Oil
            * American Express
            * Honeywell
            * Compass
            * Alabama Power Company
            * Bell Canada
            * Chick-fil-A
            * Clark Schwebel
            * Coca-Cola, USA
            * Corning
            * Delmarva Power & Light
            * Dial Corporation
            * Eastman Kodak
            * Exxon, USA
            * Harris Corporation
            * Honda America Manufacturing
            * Landmark Communications
            * McDonald s Corporation
            * Merck

        This list is quite a who s who of the corporate elite, whose
        collective power and influence is enormous. A number of these
        organizations have been identified as some of the world s biggest
        corporate criminals, their collective fines totaling figures in the
        billions (yes, plenty of evidence for this, available if it s an
        issue).  Just one, for a start:

        Merck s recent  $650 million dollar fine:

        http://www.brandweeknrx.com/2008/02/after-650-milli.html

        And it seems that the incidence of corporate crime is on the rise.
        Note well the US Department of Justice s use of the term conspiracy
        in the following document.

        http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/speeches/8063.htm

        STATUS REPORT:
        CRIMINAL FINES

Since the beginning of FY 1997, the Antitrust Division of the U.S.Department of Justice ("Division") has obtained over $1.7 billion dollars in criminal fines -- many multiples higher than the sum total  of all criminal fines imposed for violations of the Sherman Antitrust  Act dating back to 1890. Well over 90 percent of these fines were imposed in connection with the prosecution of international cartel activity.

            * Volume Of Affected Commerce. International cartels affect very
        large volumes of commerce. In some matters, the volume of commerce
        affected by the suspected conspiracy is well over $1 billion per year
        and in over half of the investigations, the volume of commerce
        affected is well over $100 million over the term of the conspiracy.

            * Corporate Fines Have Increased Dramatically. Because
        international cartels affect such a large volume of U.S. commerce and
        the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines fines are based in large part on the
        amount of commerce affected by the cartel, fines obtained by the
        Division have increased dramatically in the last several years.

        (article continues on link)

        Now, I wonder in how much advice and consultation to these firms,
        alongside MASSIVE organizational NETWORKING and financial involvement
        with them really affects their corporate strategies (for the better),
        or merely serves a wider purpose of entrenched corporate nepotism,
        characterized by active participation in the maintenance of the power
        status-quo of the corporate elite.

        Let's note the leading quotes Lawrence M Miller gives at the beginning
        of his document, The Revolutionary System. of Bahai Administration.
        Perspective, Characteristics, &. Competencies .

        This Revolutionary System

        The world's equilibrium hath been upset through
        the vibrating influence of this most great, this new
        World Order. Mankind's ordered life hath been
        revolutionized through the agency of this unique,
        this wondrous System - the like of which mortal
        eyes have never witnessed.
        (Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Aqdas, Page: 85)

        The Faith as a Whole-System, perspectives from
        complexity and chaos theory.

        Perspective

        This Revolutionary System the Vision
        The emergence of a world community, the
        consciousness of world citizenship, the founding of a
        world civilization and culture -- ALL OF WHICH MUST
        SYNCHRONIZE WITH the initial stages in the unfoldment of
        the GOLDEN AGE OF THE BAHAI ERA -- should, by their very
        nature, be regarded, as far as this planetary life is
        concerned, as the furthermost limits in the organization
        of human society, though man, as an individual, will,
        nay must indeed as a result of such a consummation,
        continue indefinitely to progress and develop. Shoghi
        Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 162

        The implications of an entrenched organizational corporate ideology to
        the Baha i movement, that seeks to intrinsically involve itself with
        processes of corporate strategy and government lobbying (as all major
        corporations do) raises VERY serious questions about its true nature
        and purpose, and status as a politically neutral, NGO 'religious'
        body. (Did you get that, IRS?)

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[LMMiller9]

Good grief, Frank. You are certainly the God of cut-and-past. Must be your new religion. All bow down to Frank, the God of Cut-and-Pastism.

Do you actually have a serious question from all of that nonsense? If so, what is it?

All the stuff you copied is incredibly confused and none of it has anything to do with IMBRA or anything else this website is supposed to deal with. But, I know you are never interested in real facts, but just a couple that may penetrate someone else's mind.

First, my professional career has nothing to do with either the Baha'i Faith or the TJC. The consulting work that I and my firm did (which I sold) was to help create employee involvement, teams, quality management, etc. Shell and some other oil companies were clients, as well as McDonald's, etc. Chik-fil-A, a VERY Christian company, was also a major client. None of them hired us because any connection to the Baha'i Faith and the TJC didn't even exist at the time. They hired us to help improve their culture and their business. Period. We did damned good work, by the way.

There is no connection between my consulting work and the TJC. They are completely unrelated, although I think my background in management has enabled me to give my daughter some good advice (you know they did win the Washington Post Award for the best managed non-profit organization in the DC area!).

The writer of the post you copied seems to think that because a Baha'i (me) did work for Shell, and shell polluted the air, then the Baha'is believe in polluting the air. That is ridiculous. It makes as much sense as me saying that you filled up your car at the Shell station, stopped at McDonald's for an Egg McMuffin and then attended the Methodist church, which proves that you are complicit in the crimes of Shell and McDonald's and therefore the Methodist church is also complicit. It is the absurd logic that says that any association is a causal event and because you don't say that you are an agent of Shell and Mcdonald's and the Methodist church refuses to admit its complicity in pollution it is therefore a conspiracy. Which of course, must have begun in the middle ages in some secret society. Yeah, right!

You can really go crazy with that stuff. But, that would be a short trip, wouldn't it Frank?

I know this is all a game for you and I probably shouldn't waste my time, but do you have any idea how silly some of your stuff is. The idea that either me or Layli are somehow some Baha'i royalty or big shots is nuts. You should understand with all your research that their is no clergy in the Baha'i Faith, but elected Assemblies, local, national and the Universal House of Justice in Haifa. Neither Layli nor I are elected member of any of these, not even the lowliest local Assembly. There are also appointed individuals, Counsellors and Auxiliary Boar members. Neither Layli or I are either of these. Thousands of Baha'is are members of these Assemblies. You, in your wild imagination, imagine that two people who haven't even been elected at the lowest level represent some big shots. There is NO logic there, Frank.

Also, and I know you can't get this through your head, the TJC is NOT an agency of the Baha'i institutions or community. It is completely independent. Of all the members of the Board of Directors, only Layli is a Baha'i. None of the staff, other than Layli, are Baha'is. They get no money from the Baha'i Faith and they give no money to the Baha'i Faith. Separate, Frank, not the same!

So try to get this...

Baha'i community and its Institutions - One thing.
Tahirih Justice Center - A second thing, not related to the first.
L.Miller's consulting work - A third thing, not related to the first two.

Is that hard? The only relationship is a relationship in some ideas or principles. Justice, for example, is a principle of the Faith, obviously a principle of the TJC. The idea of decisions being made at the lowest level by groups in consultation together... an idea of the Faith, also an idea I tried to put into practice in my management consulting (also an idea that Honda, Toyota and most good companies are practicing).

Also, you referred to "Larry Miller's rebuttal." I never wrote or said anything that is any rebuttal to any of that, other than what I just wrote above.

Oh, well, I know its futile.

Cheers
LMM

[tristan]

the TJC...(you know they did win the Washington Post Award for the best managed non-profit organization in the DC area!).

Larry, but the Washington Post didn't know at that time that Tahirih was under/would soon be under investigation by the IRS for tax shennanigans, which means that in fact it may be one of the WORST managed non-profit organizations in the DC area.

I have asked you in this forum and I ask you again to please comment on this tax business and what Tahirih is doing about it.

[LMMiller9]

Sorry Tristan, there are no tax shenanigans. By the way, when you and your buddies submit these uninformed complaints to the IRS why don't you give your name and organization? Why are they always "anonymous"? Cowardice, is the answer.

First of all, there is no IRS investigation. You received an acknowledgment from the IRS that they received your complaint. Which they send to every fruitcake no matter how spurious their complaint. The IRS is not conducting an investigation at all.

You think there is a problem because you do not understand the law and reporting requirements. You have compared reports under two DIFFERENT set of rules and requirements. The way Congress requires reporting and computing lobbying time and activities is completely different than required by the IRS. Therefore, given the exact same activity, and doing everything possible to be absolutely honest, you would come out with two different figures. You can argue that Congress and the IRS should require reporting to the same standards and definitions, and I would agree. But, they don't.

So, nice try, but no banana!

LMM

[tristan]

New York Times
March 31, 2008, 11:06 am
Is the Non-Profit World Teeming With Fraud?
By Stephen J. Dubner
When we recently wrote a column suggesting that philanthropies be run more like businesses, one factor we didn’t look into — but perhaps should have — was fraud.

According to a Times report by Stephanie Strom, fraud and embezzlement in the non-profit sector account for a loss of $40 billion a year, or roughly 13 percent of philanthropic giving.

The article is based on a report (gated) recently published in the Nonprofit and Voluntary Sector Quarterly. Strom’s article peaked at about No. 6 on While Strom’s article hasn’t hit the Times’s “most e-mailed list“; I am guessing that just about everyone in the non-profit world has read it by now, and are readying their replies to anxious donors.

Thirteen percent gone to fraud! That’s about the same loss experienced by the Bagel Man — and he didn’t even have anyone watching the till.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/is-the-non-profit-world-teeming-with-fraud/?apage=2#comments

COMMENTS
It may be interesting to look at those nonprofits receiving federal earmarks in light of this report.

— Opus
 

My wife used to work for nonprofits, and she said that aside from monetary fraud, the nonprofits are rife with corruption — especially those that get most of their money from government. Maybe 13% of the paperwork done is actually legitimate. She says that maybe 10% of the people her organizations tried to help actually needed help, and that most of the rest wouldn’t even show up to get something for free. She’s talked to me about all the ways people would scam the system, filling out applications in such a way as to ensure they would never get a job offer while filling out enough applications to continue getting government services. If you really want an interesting article, you should get my wife to write one for you exposing what welfare is really like. She should know, having worked in the system for many years. She had to leave because she could no longer continue being a moral person while working in the system.

— Troy Camplin, Ph.D.
 
ALong with that last comment, my wife pointed out that at one of her jobs she would typically get all of her week’s work done on Monday and have to look busy the rest of the week. Her friend, on the other hand, had the responsibilities that should have gone to 5 people, meaning much of his work was made up.

— Troy Camplin, Ph.D.
 

[LMMiller9]

That is what you always do. When you get an answer to a question, you just change the subject and ignore the answer. That is why I haven't visited this site in months and I am sure I won't again. You don't care about what is true or not true, you only care about spreading slander and innuendo.

So, now the idea that some non-profits do some things that are fraudulent is supposed to reflect on the TJC. Brilliant. Did you know that some websites are frauds. Some websites spread rumor, slander and complete fiction to cover up the misconduct and illegal activity of the members of that website? Did you know about that?

By the way, if you guys were smart (NOT!) you would shut up and lay low. IMBRA has not been enforced because the previous administration didn't enforce most laws, like environmental laws, FDA regulations, SEC regulations, and IMBRA! But, there is a new sheriff in town. If I were you I wouldn't be hanging out at saloons like this and acting drunk. The sheriff might notice, and those who you scream against might just have some contacts with the sheriff.

But, instead, you will just flame away.

[LMMiller9]

By the way, Tristan, while we are discussing fraud... why don't you reveal the fraud that is THIS WEBSITE! You all claim to be good honest men who love your foreign brides and want desperately to protect the Constitution and the rights of other lonely men. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, who all of you are, who regularly post on this board, are owners or employees of marriage broker, oh, excuse me international dating agencies, and you this website exists for the purpose of protecting your commercial, money making interests, and nothing else.

Since you have my picture and Layli's and post them endlessly, why don't you all post your own pictures and reveal the agency you work for, or own, and its website? The reason you won't is because a) you are gutless; b) it would reveal the fraud of this website.

Otherwise, have a nice day,.

[Delphi_Programmer]

By the way, Larry, I am NOT an owner or operator of any kind of introduction or dating service, and I do love my Philippine life.  I come here purely in the interest of freedom.

I don't come here to flame, but to express my valid concerns and views, not only about TJC and NOW, but about feminism in general and about the direction this country is moving in generally.  I think some dangerous things are going on today.

There seems to be a new attitude in America that socialism rules, that the Constitution doesn't matter, and that individual liberty, the pursuit of happiness and personal responsibility for one's own life are out the window.  We are a collective now.  We live not for ourselves, but for the community and the state.  We are not only children of the state, but citizens of the world now.  Screw America.  This is the new order in this country and quite frankly it scares the bejesus out of me!

Why some of us support this leftist oligarchy is beyond me... or is it just an irrational hatred of George Bush?

With this new sheriff we have a lot more to worry about than IMBRA, believe me.

For starters, he wants to spend 1.3 trillion of your hard-earned tax money, millions of which will go to young women in "developing" countries to educate them about "evil, old, rich white American men" and why to avoid us.  They'll educate them that we're violent, exploitative and abusive, and that they deserve to have "girly, young boys in their own countries".  If they get beat up by them that's unimportant; anything to advance the feminist agenda. Congratulations, guys!  Your paycheck now teaches women in traditional countries to be American feminists.

I don't doubt that some relationships that arise from Cherry Blossoms or similar services are distasteful to some people, raise questions with some people and even raise some eyebrows.  We live in a free society and you are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine, whatever it may be.  However, "living in a free society" also means that we are free to seek our happiness however we see fit, as long as we don't hurt anybody.  If you disagree with us, that is your right.  To freely live as we choose is ours.

There is no proof that "Cherry Blossom"-type marriages are violent or abusive to any significant degree above that of marriages in general.  Since there are no special restrictions on how people meet generally (through singles groups, local personals columns or dating services), I don't believe there should be special restrictions on meeting through foreign introduction services.  I certainly don't think they should be called "marriage brokers", a label that I believe is slanderous.

I've read many feminist papers, journals and other writings that claim that "mail order bride" services are fundamentally different than personals ad columns, but it all sounds like double-talk and semantics to me.  There is no difference in the business model; both are free-will meeting places where people post and answer posts of their own free-will and volition, and in neither place is anyone forced, coerced or pressured against their will in any way.  Both places limit their clientele to marriage-eligible adults, so claims that they contribute to child exploitation are unfounded. 

Some have claimed that these services are fronts for prostitution rings, but no one has explained how anyone can systematically recruit women into prostitution through something that is essentially a "lonely hearts" column.

In summary, I didn't vote for this "new sheriff", and I don't support his agenda.  He put America's #1 feminist in charge of the State Department, so if he strictly enforces IMBRA or introduces even more draconian anti-dating and marriage legislation it won't surprise me one bit.

Just remember this, however.  A wise man once said in reference to eroding freedom "... Maybe it's not what you do, and you don't care about these laws.  Maybe you don't even agree with [blank].  But if government can get away with this hijack of liberty, then some day they'll come after something YOU DO CARE ABOUT and it will be too late to stop them then.  The precedent will already be set"..."  Very wise words.  A corollary to this is "what goes around comes around".  If you want to be free yourself, don't TAKE freedom away from others.

I didn't come here to flame, only to keep lit the torch of freedom.