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« on: May 16, 2007, 10:10:47 PM »

Interestingly they don't mention IMBRA.

But as usual it emphasizes the negative and ignores the fact that a high percentage of these marriages are successful. Shabby journalism continues to rule.

The Heart of Asia owner is given a few brief words.  But he isn'r really allowed to defend his industry or address any of the attacks made against it.

http://www.cnn.com/video/specials/2007/05/16/delacruz.asian.mail.order.brides.cnn/content.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 02:06:50 AM »

It is worse than shabby journalism, but at least Veronica de la Cruz did not give a one-sided platform to Tahirih.

Fred talked with this dishonest "journalist" for a long time about IMBRA. She knew about it up and down and still did a hit piece.

Her main problem was with age difference dating. She went for an extreme example of a 21 year old looking for a man between 50 and 60 (you would never normally see this).

This is outright war by bitter, feminist American women against American men with the bitter feminists in complete charge of the major media.

And it is so clear that the thing that irks the feminists the most is age difference dating. It apparently eats at them although the average age difference in international marriages is only eight years, which is more than reasonable.

Reasonable, except for the fact that, if social globalization causes American males to move enmasse toward the 15 year average, the fabric of American society would rip at the seams.

American society is uniquely unprepared for social globalization.

What really bothers me is that Fred was so trusting.

Wasn't there a bird that is now extinct because it just stood there while hunters clubbed all the birds around it to death?

He let us all know about his CNN Interview a few days ago.

I wanted the name and phone number of the CNN producer so we could all go to work on sounding her out on what kind of story she wanted to write. But Fred kept that to himself, apparently assuming that Veronica was being friendly and straitforward and he could handle her himself.

We cannot do that. ODR regulars learned long ago that sharing journalist contacts was an imperative.

I always tell Tristan and Dave about journalists who are nibbling around the edges of IMBRA and came about www.VeteransAbroad.com.

It made Fred look isolated that the producer was protected from a half dozen experts who could show that what he had to say was a big deal and that the broader issue of VAWA brings in millions of men who have political power (unfortunately just a negative power to teach the Republican Party a lesson by defeating them in favor of our real enemies).

Then again, considering Veronica's bias, it was perhaps best that it ended up being as much a puff piece (no real content) as a hit piece. IMBRA was not mentioned at all, but nor was "a need to regulate dating" mentioned.

Nobody put down a transcript or posted what the CNN report said.

That is bad journalism on our part.

Please post what videos say. Not everybody can access video all the time when they read ODR.

Synopsis of video:

1) Good looking young Asian woman is separated from her American husband although she still loves him and would like to get back with him. He rejected her for some reason.

Considering this is CNN, Veronica de la Cruz could have been interviewing a woman who was actually beaten and did not want to be back with the husband.

2) Veronica does a good job of showing that some sites in the dating industry itself promote the term "mail order bride" for Google searches and Veronica uses this as an excuse to use the term herself. What she fails to understand is that there is no excuse for using the term to deliberately demean the foreign women and/or make it like they are less mature and progressive than American women.

3) The show was entirely about Filipinas. They interviewed the Gabriela Network, a radfem organization, but the slander of American men was kept to a relative minimum.

Fred got a good 30 seconds where she was polite about how he and his wife operated a legitimate site and Fred and his wife have children, etc.

4) The worst slander came from a good-looking famous male whose clip was taken from a talk-show appearance of some kind where he said over a ten second clip that "these men take advantage of disadvantaged women to exploit them".

5) Veronica used the murder of the Filipina in Oregon 12 years ago. She showed a dead body being loaded into an ambulance.

6) The clip ended with the attractive young Filipina saying that she would still like to get back with her husband.

Then Veronica expressed outrage that she was working at Walmart for $7.50 per hour while she was waiting to be deported.

All in all, a dishonest hit piece considering Veronica de la Cruz was actually much, much more informed on the serious constitutional crisis we are facing with this gateway law to Internet Regulation.

But it could have been much worse.

I found it sad that CNN followed this piece with a male teenager in the US fighting slavery. He was not fighting the dating industry, but the piece on his being "a CNN hero" was deliberately placed after the bride piece in order to create an "association" in the minds of some CNN.com readers.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 01:56:08 PM »

Some information about Veronica is here:

http://www.veronicadelacruz.com/

Apparently she's Filipina-American.  But she shows signs of being out of touch with the home country.  For example, she says that Boracay has almost no signs of western civilization and runs on one generator.  I was there last August.  It's totally overrun with tourists.  Hell, even my first time there 12 years ago it was tourist central. 

You can see from her reporting history that she focuses on left leaning issues like migrant workers, homeless, AIDs, etc.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's no surprise that she didn't approach our issue with balance.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 02:09:17 PM »

It is too late now to contact her for this news cycle (then again, maybe not - like the Vatican Radio people, they need to know deep inside that they were practicing shoddy journalism on this topic so they might be better next time) but let this be a lesson to everyone: please do not sit on contact information regarding a journalist who wants to do a story.

Fred let us know that "CNN was going to drop by to do a story", but he wanted to be the filter for any advice we might give to "him"...he wanted to be the "point of contact" with Veronica and, thus, never gave us her name and phone number and email.

It may have been better if 5 of us had been communicating directly with "her". I prefer phone conversations.

The reason for spreading out the contacts to a journalist is that nobody can get all the points across on IMBRA himself or herself. One needs others to cover more angles and also to reinforce common requests, such as "Please do not call women mail order brides in your story".

ODR policy is to share all information about journalists who are interested...with a healthy share of trustworthy individuals. In fact, we often tell journalists to interview Layli and ask her tough questions.

I just let 20 allies know about another journalist who is interested in IMBRA.

There are 5 people in constant contact with yet another journalist.

If the journalist perceives just one contact for a point of view and the other side bombards the journalist with the emails of 12 people, the journalist gets the mental impression that the latter point of view is 12 times more important and 12 times more popular.

Veronica de la Cruz probably perceived Fred as one vs a dozen Gabriela Network people who were emailing and calling her.

There is strength in numbers.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2007, 04:30:40 AM »

Here is an interesting post from over at Garybala.com:

Rush Limbaugh put it quite elegantly one day when he was ranting about smoking regulations. He said, "Maybe you're not a smoker, and these laws won't affect you. Maybe you think smoking is bad and are glad to see the government "do something" about the problem. But if we let the government get away with continued intrusion into our personal lives, then one day they'll come after something you DO do, and it will be too late to do anything about it then, the precedent will already bet set".

How prophetic.

Today the government has intruded into yet another area of our personal lives.. our dating lives. The majority of people don't care because it doesn't affect them. ["I would never meet someone through one of *those* web sites"]. Let the government tell you you can't date a foreign through a foreign club, and they'll tell you you can't marry someone unless you get marriage counseling. Let them tell you that, and they'll tell you you can't marry someone you met in a bar or club. Let them tell you that, and they'll tell you you can't marry someone who is "too young" or "too old" for you. You think it can't happen? Do we really want to live in a Stepford Society?

People “on the right” can defend smokers, but they can’t defend someone’s right to date. It is a sad day in America...

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Meanwhile, Frank Johnson posted an excellent comment on the above forum describing how insane it is for our Congress to seriously have a problem that some dating sites "don't give women a chance to pay".

As I said above, it can be arranged that all dating sites give women the OPTION to pay, but no American domestic dating sites make it necessary for a woman to pay at all if they just want to be spoken to and not initiate contact with any man.

I may be wrong in that EHarmony might be charging women to even be approached by men...but EHarmony, as I remember, had mostly American women feminists over 30 as customers.
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